Thursday, June 11, 2009

What normal sounds like

I get lots of hate mail. So much in fact, that I’ve had to set up filters to catch most of the stuff. Even now and then a few slip through. It pisses me off. Today was different. I got normal mail. The author said I could quote him, so I will.

Hello,

I'm a first-timer to your blog. I'm a Christian. I don't have a lot of time to converse, but basically I want to address the Wiley Blake issue. I think I have heard Wiley Blake on the radio before. I'm pretty sure he is heard often in my area.

Basically, I would like to say that my prayer group prays that President Obama continues to live. We don't want harm to come to him. We hope he changes his policies, but we want him to live.

If you want, you can quote me. The leader of my Bible studies is one of the world's foremost Christian researchers and has hosted a Christian radio program.

So I would like to say that my Bible study group are Christians, and I would say most of us (or all of us) are Christian Conservatives, but we want Obama to live.
If you would like to converse more on this, no worries.

Take care.

Sincerely Yours,

Todd Hamo
Anaheim, California

We might no agree on religion or politics, but a polite reminder that all Christians are not like hate filled Wiley Drake, is always welcome.

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That's nice to be reminded of sometimes. *sigh*
I don't have any trouble comprehending or even liking moderate Christians on a personal level, but as Hitchens has stated, their very existence serves to enable the right-wing extremist nut-jobs.

I still haven't seen one Christian group state publicly that the kind of domestic terrorism we see in James von Brunn is no different than that perpetrated by Scott Roeder.
Dear ignored_ethos,

The nut job von Brunn was anti-Christian and obviously despised Christianity. Have a look here:

http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/0...

Macro-evolution is totally contradictory to Scripture. Scripture clearly teaches that God created man in his full form, not descended from any other creature. If you disbelieve in intelligent design, that's your right -- but the fact is that macro-evolution is totally anti-Christian. And this whacko von Brunn believes in evolution and obviously is anti-Christian.
2 replies · active 828 weeks ago
Todd - there are plenty of Christians who believe the theory of evolution. Doing so does not make you anti-christian.
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ignoredethos · 828 weeks ago

Nice strawman Todd, I just re-read my post and thought maybe you meant to respond to someone else because you aren't addressing my post at all. Are both cases examples of domestic terrorism or not?

Also, as others have stated Christianity does not require disbelief in evolution. For all practical purposes we must define a Christian as one who claims to be a Christian otherwise there would be no such thing as a "true" Christian.
Most of my Christian friends are conservative with a few moderate leanings and they wold never pray for harm to come to the president either. Thanks for sharing this.
Dear Mojoey,

Yes, although the Bible doesn't teach it, some Christians unfortunately believe in Darwin's doctrine of macro-evolution. But where does the doctrine of Darwinian macro-evolution inevitably lead? Inevitably, it has spawned the views of Hitler, von Brunn, and several others who have wrote about inferior/superior races.

I meant the larger context of my post to refer to von Brunn's anti-Christianity. I should have referenced the context of the post here.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/0...

Note that "Like Hitler in Mein Kampf, he draws lessons from his interpretation of Darwinism." Darwin's theory of macro-evolution spawned Hitler's idea of a master Aryan race, and the idea has carried the same influence on von Brunn.

I hope my post is understandable.

(Disclaimer: I don't necessarily subscribe to all views posted by Beliefnet.com writers.)
Dear ignored_ethos,

No straw man intended. Both were cold-blooded murders. Christian groups condemn the murders. Jay Sekulow, representative of the Christian group ACLJ, has condemned the murders -- and my Christian church is against murder, whether of any abortion doctor or anyone serving at a Holocaust museum. Cal Thomas, an influencial Christian Conservative who has been on the Washington, DC scene for several years, has publicly condemned both. Here is an excerpt from his recent article:
"The shooting and murder of a security guard at Washington’s Holocaust Museum is another reminder of the depths of hatred that exist in the world. James W. Von Brunn, 88, walked into the museum with a shotgun and before anyone could react, allegedly shot and killed 39-year-old Stephen Johns. Other guards quickly shot Von Brunn, who was critically wounded. Jesus said it isn’t what goes into a person that defiles him, but what comes out of his heart. Von Brunn had a heart full of hate and on Wednesday that hate boiled over and destroyed a young life and wounded his family. Those who remain convinced that man is basically good are confronted with just the latest in a long list of examples that prove otherwise."
1 reply · active 828 weeks ago
Todd, just answer the question directly please, a yes or no answer would be the best. Are both cases examples of domestic terrorism?
ignored_ethos,

With all due respect, I believe you first used the term here, so kindly define it in detailed terms. For instance, I don't know how your use of the term conforms to that of the FBI or the USA Patriot Act. So again, kindly define the term in detail. The term cold-blooded murder apparently does not fit your definition.
1 reply · active 828 weeks ago
Ok, apparently you aren't going to answer the question. It isn't a difficult question or a trick question and your evasion is evidence enough that you do not believe the actions of Roeder to be domestic terrorism, you just don't have the guts to state it publicly.

For future reference, the only acceptable answer is a definitive "YES" with no hesitation.
ignored_ethos,

I am sorry that you would be presumptuous, making false assumptions of me and I'm sorry you would think so poorly of me, whom you do not know. I'm sorry you wish to falsely assume evasiveness. Your attitude certainly seems militant and litigious. However, I will kindly answer your demand. Yes, as I understand it, each of those acts was one of domestic terrorism and I condemn both acts. I'm sorry that you seem to be so militant.

todd
Now that wasn't so hard was it? I'm militant? Not hardly, now who is making the assumptions? Now if only the country's religious leaders would publicly take the same step you did today.

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