Sunday, January 11, 2009

Did God make the park?

Disc Golfat El Dorado Park

I've been doing everything I can to turn my brain off this weekend. By turn my brain off I mean not thinking about work. The next fourteen days will be hell. I gave my team permission to blow off some steam over the weekend so that Monday we can dig in on a task none of us want to do. I gave myself the same instructions. I followed them too. My major escapes this weekend were music, writing, photography and disc golf. It's during a disc golf game this morning that I ran into a pretty young fundie mother. It always makes my day.

I played at El Dorado Park in Long Beach. I even blogged my game. It was after the game that things got interesting. I had walked off the course with my friend  intending to head for home when I realized I needed the restroom (I think I'm getting old). Anyway, on my way back to my truck, I stopped to do a little Zen zoning (like daydreaming but with a dumber look on my face) because it was an amazingly beautiful morning. The sun was shining. It was warm. The sky was deep blue. And golden leaves were falling like rain from a dozen trees overhead. It was breathtaking, In situations like this I go all Zen and pine for my camera, which I had left at home.

A lady pulled into the parking lot in a new Volvo. It was  full of kids. They ran to the park’s tennis center. Mom stayed near the car. I thought it odd that she lingered near me. I though it very odd that she walked towards me and started to talk. Her first words confirmed my fears. She said, “It’s amazing what God can do, right?”.

I looked at my toes (I can now, it’s great), and said, “God, I don’t follow.”.

She went on, “You know, the miracle you are watching here, the beauty here at the park. God’s hand is in everything”. She made big had gestures, pointing mostly at the trees.

I smiled. I was amused and pissed at the same time. I did not want to talk to a stranger, and certainly not a fundie trying to make her witnessing quota. I wanted to watch what was going on. It was like watching the great cinematography of say… A River Runs Through It. Who wants to hear the people behind you talking when you’re looking at something like that?

I responded with, “Lady, we’re in a public park. There is not a blade of grass, tree, or contour of the landscape here that was not constructed by the hand of man. God had nothing to do with it”.

I guess my response was a little testy, even though I tried to be nice. She looked at me with wide eyes. I could see her thinking while her mouth worked without issuing words. Her response was epic and unexpected, “I’m going to call the police, you disc golfers are all dope smoking losers”.

I gave her my card. It has the URL to Deep Thoughts, the titles “writer” and “photographer” and my contact information. I told her, “you go right ahead”.

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She approached you and started rambling and YOU'RE the dope smoker?
1 reply · active 851 weeks ago
Disbelief in God equals dope smoker loser sounds like she was a real winner. I feel so sorry for her kids. If any of them become rational they are not going to have an easy time telling her.
*sigh*

I feel bad for you man... not that I'm the person to really ever feel these thoughts, but was it horribly awkward? I could only imagine it would have been much worse if I we you in that situation. I would have said much worse and actually, I think I might have been smartass enough to call the police on myself just to prove to that lady how stupid she is. Sorry you got called a dope smoker, too. Even if you are (I don't imagine most CIVIL adults are), I don't see how that relates to frisbee golf or religion...
3 replies · active 851 weeks ago
You know? I had kind of the same problem a couple of days ago. My family and I were going back to our home when a neighbor, an old lady greeted us and strated talking to us. She was nice, her dog was nice, she said whe was going to live alone for the first time because she always had had boyfriends, but none of them was good because (prepare shields), none of them were christians.

My blood boiled at the facts that, she was saying that her problem were non-christian men, surely without thinking if her christianism was the problem, and assumed that we were christians too. But I said nothing.

Many times I wonder how should we approach someone who is nice at the beggining, but then says some fundie mumbo jumbo.
1 reply · active 851 weeks ago
Somewhat reminds me of the time I was transporting a client (who is a Christian). She noticed some books I had on the floor-board and asked what I was reading...oh boy! It was "Atheism a Reader" and I told her so. Her response was "You're an atheist?" "Mmmhmm" "But you're such a nice person!"

Kinda ticked me off. As if atheists can't be nice people or that Christians/theists have a monopoly on niceness.

Oh, well. She's a nice lady anyway and I think she may have regretted her remark (after the fact). And I don't hold it against her. I guess it could be quite shocking to find out somebody is an atheist when you've had them pegged in an altogether different hole.
Odd, I will be the next person then I guess to mention I know someone just like that as well. She is an epic failure on eharmony or something, still hasn't had a date in years. Nicest person alive, but she's really annoying because of it. And she's also Christian, but not just any Jesus-bearing hypocrite, she's a "super-Christ". She goes to my family's church and I doubt she knows I'm an atheist. She will soon! Anyway, it's no surprise guys are so unattracted to her, because she's so fucking stingy about her religion. Everything has to be a reference to god... "I saw you talking on your phone over there sir. I always wonder that on beautiful days like this how blessed we are to have the ability to communicate using words to each other. Ahh, what a blessed thing God has given us, don't you agree?" No. And that's why she remains a 50 year old virgin (wouldn't doubt it) to this day.

I apologize for the rudeness in advance. :)
1 reply · active 851 weeks ago
Those snap judgments are harsh. We had my husband's co-worker and his family over for dinner. Their kids loved our kids. We had wonderful conversations. The wife found out we were "godless heathens" at the end of the night, and they never accepted repeated invitations.
3 replies · active 850 weeks ago
God in Deed did creat the park along with everything else. What I do not get, even after reading your blogs.... how you can think we came by chance... Science has now proven the theories of the bible to be correct. The earth is not millions of years old, there was in deed a worldwide flood and we did not come from some cosmic soup and evolve from there...lol... www.drdino.comwill explain the sceince.. I can explain why you are all soooooo lost. http://almosttheend.blogspot.com
You should all pray and ask for guidance on this... you are lost, and if you dont try finding the truth you will be lost eternally. I pray God gives you Grace and mercy.!!
6 replies · active 850 weeks ago
So, Glenn, when you pray and ask God why he continues to allow such people as Joey and the rest of us to exist, what does he tell you? Oh, c'mon, we KNOW he talks back to you. Please share.
1 reply · active 851 weeks ago
My sister told me once that I needed to be saved...."don't you want to be with your kids after you die", she asked. Fear factor.

Glenn said, "I can explain why you are all soooooo lost."
I'm not lost, I'm right here where I always have been. :)
1 reply · active 851 weeks ago
No matter how many times this sort of thing happens to me, I am never quite prepared for the next time. I tend to expect the best of people, and it just does not fit that someone would need to spew this garbage in public to a complete stranger. I bet the woman in your case went home feeling very good about herself while you went home wondering WTF.
1 reply · active 850 weeks ago
“Lady, we’re in a public park. There is not a blade of grass, tree, or contour of the landscape here that was not constructed by the hand of man. God had nothing to do with it”.

Mojoey, that reply is an EPIC WIN in my book. If I can be nearly as witty the next time something similar happens to me, then I'll consider it a very good day.
1 reply · active 851 weeks ago
I've never understood why I should fear something that doesn't exist. Whatever. I've had people tell me I need to be saved, too. "Saved from what?" I often wonder.

Ah well, one thing's for sure: it's impossible to argue with some folk. When someone is convinced of faith beyond fact, it's pointless arguing with them. It's usually fairly pointless even talking to them!

If Glenn wants to praise a non-existent deity for everything, then surely he can explain it all in a manner that makes sense to him. Even if it makes absolutely no sense to anyone else. If someone believes in a god, it's not that big a conceptual leap to believe in anything that supports the notion. I often think of it all, especially fundie-ism, as similar to a drug addiction. Mixed with a bit of abuse - you know the whole thing about the abused person defending the abuser? I can't help but think it's a bit like that.

I'm sure the christian god loves/hates/is perfectly ambivalent about me, but I must confess difficulty in loving/hating/being perfectly ambivalent about something that doesn't exist (except in imaginations of some). C'est la vie. :-)

Carolyn Ann
Wow. What a surprise ending. I would've simply picked up the nearest stone, handed it to her, and asked if she'd like to be the first. Then maybe a little discussion of kaneh bosm as appeared in scripture, that is, if she didn't stone me to death. Bottom line, I can feel her lack of love through what you write.

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