Saturday, August 25, 2007

Christians lose faith

I would prefer it if Christians became Atheists through a process of reflection involving logic, reason and deep thinking. It pains me to hear of Christian women who have lost their faith because their pastor is alleged to have sexually abused them.

Pastor John Olivares stands accused of five counts of sexual battery.Two women and one teen from The Cathedral of Faith have come forward with complaints of inappropriate touching and fondling. Of course, Olivares professes his innocence.

Olivares said he never did anything more than gently hug church members - nothing sexual.

"As God is my witness I have never done that," Olivares said.

Fortunately for all concerned, God will not be called to the witness stand in his trail. His five victims should be sufficient to assure a conviction.

I have a problem with part of the story. I women named Cleava Dicky apparently enabled Olivares actions by not reporting when he had touched her. She reached her limit only after her daughter reported the same abuse.

Dickey said Olivares fondled her but she chose not to report it until she said things got worse.

"I found out it went from me to my daughter," Dickey said. "She was in the living room and she said, ‘Mama, I need to talk to you. Brother John is touching us.' They were devastated."

I do not understand what motivates a woman to tolerate abuse from the likes of a pastor. Maybe it's just my maleness, but a single incident would be enough to for me to confront the issue directly, especially if an authority figure were involved.

23 comments:

vjack said...

The power difference combined with the mantle of superstition is what makes victims less likely to come forward when the perpetrator is a "holy man." I have little trouble understanding the plight of the victims in these cases, regardless of whether they are children or adults. Our culture teaches them that these pastors have lines of communication with their gods, and this is going to be intimidating for believers.

Nicest Girl said...

Indeed. They are, in a sense, taught that these people are superhuman (...not in an X-Men sense) and that everything they do is right and okay. They are given automatic respect and trust when there is absolutely no reason for them to have it. And, in the past especially, when a child was molested by one of these people... I'm sure they didn't think that they would be believed if they came forward. And that would be either through experience or through hearing about others' experiences.

Gary McGath said...

Dickey had the right as an adult to deal with the matter as she saw fit. That doesn't mean her implied consent extended, or could extend, to her daughter.

Anonymous said...

I have known pastor Olivares for years. I have spoken in his church. I just spoke with some other people who were there in the church when one of the said "touchings" supposedly occurred. She said nothing happened. She told me this group of people were disgruntled with the leadership and came against them with these lies. Some of these women have falsely accused men in the past.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

The John Olivares I know has always raised money to support foreign missionaries, come to the utility department to pay utility bills for those who are having financial difficulties and been an outstanding member of Lawrenceburg.
Further, no evidence has been provided to back these claims.

A man fondling someone at the altar--10 feet from the front pews in front of everyone (I have been in this church), is ridiculous to even ponder. A woman staying around, having supposedly been abused, long enough for her daughter to have supposedly been abused as well, is insane. It just doesn't add up to me.

On another note. I don't believe in Santa Claus. I don't spend my life trying to disprove his existence. You atheists spend your lives trying to disprove the existence of someone you say doesn't exist. Now for you to be able to definitively say there is no God, you would have to have been everywhere in the universe and know everything. If you had done this you'd probably be God.

Mojoey said...

You atheists spend your lives trying to disprove the existence of someone you say doesn't exist. - are you out of your mind? I do not waste one moment of my time trying to disprove the god you believe in. I simple say there is no god.

Anonymous said...

Years ago when I lived in Lawrenceburg, I attended Bro. Olivares` church for some time and I never saw anything improper going on. He and his wife Mary were very kind to me and I would find this report very hard to believe.

Also the woman saying she would never go back to church or had lost her faith....If it is real faith, you don`t lose it so easily. God never fails.

I am very sad for the church and for the Olivares but you know...anyone can accuse anyone of anything at anytime. God will take care of it.

Anonymous said...

The verdict of this case is this: he plead "no contest" to one charge of sexual assault and recieved "a slap on the wrist"...2 years probation, the first year to be supervised and 52 weeks of sexual battery conseling classes. In the beginning he spoke of "HIS INNONSENSE" AND HOW 'HE DIDNT DO THIS'...seems to me that any person who is INNOCENT wouldnt take any type of plea bargain because they would know they were innocent and could prove it. Johnny Olivares is NOT an "outstanding member" of the Lawrenceburg community, as I live in the area myself and know. He and his family act as if they are above most people and parade around preaching thier idea of religion and making a complete mockering of God...several people refer to their church and followers as a CULT. Not only has he done this now, he was accused of sexually assaulting his own daughter and neice some 20 years ago...and yes the neice came forward against him in this case! His daughter is a convicted felon herself..and a self proclaimed pastor...all the while playing church and causing several people to lose their faith or just turn away from God because they want no part of the God that they see through that whole family. Whether a person choses to believe in God or not, is their decision...I pray anyone looking for God doesnt turn to the Olivares family or their "so called" church to find HIM!

Daniel said...

IF A BROTHER BE OVERTAKEN IN A FAULT, YE WHICH ARE SPIRITUAL RESTORE HIM IN A SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS CONCIDERING THYSELF LEST THY ALSO BE TEMPTED.

I just wonder who's worse. A man who falls, or the ones who kick him when he is down. The samaritan who fell among theives, or the Levite who passed by on the other side of the road.
Remember he who slings mud gets dirt on himself.
These self proclaiming christians (LEVITES) who are having a feast over this mans fall are HYPOCRITES, VIPERS AND SNAKES. These types of people have no restraint when it comes to judging others, but let someone judge them for their hypocrisy...and the whole world is going to hell.
If you are what you think and profess to be,then fall on your face and cry out to Jesus Christ to restore this man IF HE IS GUILTY. If you refuse to do so then SHUT YOUR FACE. Stop trying to play the Judge, Jury and Executioner.
The Bible says "Ye that are Spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness".
THE QUESTION REMAINING IS HAVE YOU ASK GOD TO RESTORE THIS MAN.
THE ANSWER IS...NO YOU HAVE NOT, AND YOU ARE A LIAR IF YOU SAY YOU HAVE!!
BECAUSE A SPRING CANNOT PRODUCE SWEET AND BITTER WATER AT THE SAME TIME.
THE GREATER SIN COMMITED HERE IS THE ONES WHO HIDE IN THE SHADOWS THINKING THEMSELVES TO BE SO HOLY ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS POLISH THERE CROWNS ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
YET THEY HAVE NO INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS. THEY USUALLY JUST SIT, SOAK AND SOUR ON A CHURCH PEW WAITING FOR THINGS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN SO THEY CAN ENTERTAIN THERE STINKING, ROTTING FLESH FOR WHAT THEY THINK TO BE A WORTHY CAUSE, THUS ELIMINATING THEMSELVES FROM THE STATUS OF "SPIRITUAL ONES".
Its really difficult to have a burden for those who have fallen when you cant even get up your self.
I do noy know this man, but from what I can gather he has commited no greater sin than King David, and unlike most of you who have throwed this man away may I add that God still sees value in him. God went on to judge as well as RESTORE King David who also was a murder. Why cant you do the same.
This man still has value even if he is guilty.
HIM BEING GUILTY OR INNOCENT IS NOT THE BIG PICTURE. THE BIGGER PICTURE IS WHAT ARE YOU AND I GOING TO DO IN ORDER TO REPRESENT THE CHRIST THAT YOU SAY HE HAS NOT REPRESENTED. WILL YOU BE LIKE THE ONE YOU HAVE ACCUSED AND AVOID GODLY CHARACTER, OR WILL YOU BE THE BIGGER PERSON AND SAY GOD SHINR IN THROUGH ME. USE ME LORD JESUS TO HELP THIS SITUATION. THATS WHAT WE NEED IN AMERICA AGAIN IS PEOPLE WHO GO AGAINST THE FLOW OF DRIVE BY MEDIA AND DO WHATS CONTRARY TO POPULAR OPINION.
I WILL NOT JUMP ON BOARD WITH YOU GUYS. YOU ARE JUST AS WRONG AND SINFUL AS THE ONE YOU ARE ACCUSING ASNF JUDGING.
OK, SO HE IS GUILTY IN YOUR OPINION. NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? WALK RIGHT ON BY HIM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD OR HELP BANDAGE THE WOUNDS OF THOSE INVOLVED (ON BOTH SIDES) OF THE AILES.

EVG: DANIEL COUCH
DCOUCHAL@AOL.COM

Mojoey said...

Daniel - do you know the word fucktard?

DANIEL COUCH said...

NO I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM, BUT ITS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE.
GET MY POINT?
I AM SURE YOUR FATHER (SATAN) HAS TAUGHT YOU ALOT OF THINGS THAT THE AVERAGE DECENT AMERICAN GOD LOVING CITIZEN HAS LITTLE KNOWLEGE ABOUT.
BY THE WAY THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE DEPTH OF YOUR MENTAL INSUFFIENCY WITH THE WORLD.
YOU SHOULD FEEL VERY FLATTERED NOW THAT YOU HAVE ANNOUNCED TO THE WORLD JUST HOW INSUFFICIENT YOUR MENTAL CAPACITY REALLY IS.
GOOD JOB BUDDY, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I AM SURE YOUR "DADDY" IS REAL PROUD OF THE FINE DISPLAY OF YOUR SOUTHERN HOSPITALITY ...OOOPS I MEAN "SOUTHERN STUPIDITY".
OH BY THE WAY "MOJOEY", YOU MAY NOT BELEIVE IN GOD RIGHT NOW BUT I HAVE BURIED ALOT OF MEN WITH THE SAME SPIRIT OF ARROGANCE THAT YOU HAVE AND ON THERE DEATH BED THERE ATTITUDE WAS MUCH DIFFERENT. I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU THAT GOD NOT ALLOW YOU TO BECOME ONE OF THE SAME STATISTICS.
JUST BECAUSE YOUR PROUD OF YOUR ILLITERACY CONCERNING TRUTH DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST.
YOU CAN CUSS AND SPIT YOUR VENOM OF HATRED AND BITTERNESS AT ALL OF US IF YOU WISH, BUT LIFE HAS A WAY OF GETTING OUR ATTENTION AND YOUR NOT EXCLUDED.

lisa said...

my my my
i was told about this web sight that some how this mojoey guy was saying or writing or letting people put on here, so now here i am
and mojoey come and see for your self if this is or is not oh wait, you won't will you because you have no back bone thats why you alow this mindless idoits to write anonymously and speak against something you & they know nothing about except slander,just because you read if in this misquoted newspaper in this town doesnt make you the judge, and who said he did this to his daughter??? YOU ARE A LIER, AND YOUR SOUL lest ye should repent is in danger of the Lake of Fire. and that niece statment is a crock of bull, she told she olny said what she did was so people would just show her attention qoute from a close friend of this niece K.R. did you know that Clevea, has done this to other ministers in Lawrenceburg? her husband kicked her out because of all of this, and did you also know that she did not tell her husband not because she was afraid of him, but beacause she knew he knew it was a bair face lie, did you also know them and pavy (They called him elder) wanted to take the CHURCH because Tanya had just been made Pastor and his play house (the elders) was over. Since he had been neglecting his duty to pay his bills(rent to the church for the parsonage) and not keeping the books correct, ALL the people and there and else where cause there are Millions that support him he recieves alot of letters, you are in danger of the lake of fire yourself mojoey for this web sight to promote lies and an attempt to take over a church fude that went "out of there control" quote pavy & dickey as they were standing on the church steps that sunday, did you know she has been married(cleava) 5 times no its not a crime at all but during these times seeking a man at all times. 20 yrs ago while married to her kids father she was in Pastors church and went after one of the ministers, who sent her walking and told her no so she left the church and came back after that divorce and then left and lost her children, and when this lie came out he sent word too Senior Pastor to remember that this too shall pass oh yes we will have idiots like this web sight that tries to destroy a work of GOD and idiots that can't get tis story right but rem they didn't accept Christ at all either. I like what this daniel man said,who was willing to restore? they said for him to step down for awhile and they would help him and told his daughter to leave as pastor but they would wait on him, know if this was really true would you tell a man that i will wait on you to be restored if you were sexually touched? EVen atheist have some comman since and i dare say you would not stay but you would leave and take your family but no they slapped him with this lie on a wed. nite and he told them he did not do this he was sorry they felt the way they did and they all could leave cause God and him founded that church and guess what ? they should up for Sunday, so do you have a smart remark for me as you did that evangilist, which shows your lack of education and this web sight I pray that after you know the truth that I have just gave you this web sight is corrupted and shut down.
a humble servent of Gods
LISA

Mojoey said...

No - I don't "get your point".

I would question your integrity. If the best you can do is lie by saying you don't know the word fucktard, and then turn around and use it on me by way of inference, the I can only conclude you are a man without Honor.

And frankly, I don't give a damn what you think about me. Spout your hate elsewhere troll.

And... I am not trying to be hospitable. I think you are an uneducated arrogant ass.

And... your writing makes no sense. Go away.

Mojoey said...

So Lisa, did you graduation from high school?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Your idiotic ramble is pathetic.

lies? What lies?

Lake of Fire? there is no God therefor there can be no Lake of Fire.

I have a low tolerance for bullshit. You surpassed my tolerance level in the first three sentences. I can only conclude you are uneducated, ignorant, or a child. Am I wrong here?

a court house worker said...

WHY do you slam truth? she just wrote too you the truth i live here in this town, I WAS sitting in the court room, I KNOW ITS THE TRUTH. for your health you need to remove this DEEP THOUGHT CRAP and think about getting your life RIGHT WITH YOUR CREATOR ..GOD, you live in cali. what are you doing eating the fleash of an Anointed CHURCH AND A MAN OF GOD? it doesn't take a high school graduate to see, and read lies, you only strick back to the ones that seem to know the TRUTH about this situation, and of course it would strick a nerve with you because the demons that surround your ungodlylife have you blinded to any truth or good that is in your face,IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU BELIVE IN GOD OR NOT, OR IF I DIDNT BUT I DO, THERE IS A JUDGMENT DAY FOR US ALL
REVIVAL HAS BROKE OUT IN THIS CHURCH!!! The Holy Ghost is so awesome the crowd is getting greater(i believe someone said earlier that prayed for no one came to that church) WELL THEY ARE.
See there were no sexual charges CHARGED SO YOU backbitters NEED TO GET IT RIGHT!!!THEY COULD ONLY COME UP WITH AN ASSUALT Charge!!!not sexual assult.
REMEMBER ONE THING you & everyone that is reading this will one day face a situation in your life to ither drop the stones you are throwing at people or be stoned with your own rocks.Even if you do or don't believe in God.
and know one thing your website has been MARKED, BY GOD HIMSELF
JUST A HELPFUL WARNING TO A PERSON IN NEED FOR DELIVERANCE FROM HIS OWN DARK SHADOWS.
A court house worker

Anonymous said...

Hello :I would like to start by saying I am a true believer in JESUS CRIST AS MY SAVIOR but there are some things I want to share. First I will say atheist or not does not mean he is wrong .Men of god should be held accountable at a greater level than most people. I have been closer to this family than anyone on this website and I saw alot of things wrong with this family. I also know Bro.Pavy is one of the most honest and true men of god I have met in my life .He and his wife and son have never ,never shown me any reason to doubt them. Courthouse worker or Daniel listen closely I know you think your seeing the truth and I am not going to tell all I know because that would be wrong of me but I can say over the years I have seen more people turned away from god at this church than showed the way to god.As for our host I am not going to try to tell you your wrong and I am right but just to offer you my prayers .Thanks for your time.

Anonymous said...

to the alleged "court house worker" (to whom i actually believe is tanya rosie or sandra which is actually the scumbags daughters) if there was no sexual assault then please tell me why johnny olivares has to go for "1 YEAR OF SEXUAL COUNSELING" and as for a revival broke out in the church...... puhhhh... its probably being paid for with the money that the assistant pastor has been accused of imbezzling from her former employer.... along with the other three employers money that she did this to. WHAT A HOLY REVIVAL HUH------ I BET IT'S GONNA GET HOT! ESPECIALLY WHEN SATAN SHOWS UP AS THE GUEST SPEAKER!!!!!! BUT OH WAIT---- HE'S ALREADY BEEN THERE FOR YEARS!!! I'm not a pastor and I have never claimed myself to be a perfect christian but i do believe -TANYA- yes i am now speaking to you ..... that my bible does not believe in a person who is a supposed leader in Christ and head or co-head of a church to be attacking and instigating more arguing by going around running off at the mouth and telling people that your father did not do these things to these people and calling these people names like you have been doing when all the while you in your true heart you know for a fact he did--- what happens when he does this to one of your daughters or possibly even the grandchild your unwed daughter is about to have ????? i know you say they are married but you also say that you and tim are too ...... hello where's the marriage certificate????? does your Bible not say obey the laws of the land? mine does and the law says your NOT married without a recorded marriage certificate at the courthouse!!!!!! so in all actuality you and tim are full fledged sinners for living together without being married----- whoooo-hooooo we've had a wonderful internet revival here!!!!

Anonymous said...

YOU WILL KNOW THE TREE BY THE FRUIT IT BEARS....

Anonymous said...

Well Well Well.....He proved himself quilty when he plea bargained....and thats's all I have to say about that....

Faith said...

What is up with all the "ANONYMOUS" blogers??
If you think you are big enough to talk,
then you should be big enough to state who you are.

*and dont worry, you WILL be hearing from me again VERY soon...*

Until Then,

Faith
aka
The oldest Grandaughter of PASTOR John Olivares

=by the way, to the anonymous person who said they were probably the "closest" person to John & his family, I DO believe you just got BUMPED OVER. you didnt even kno what you was talking about ANYWAYS. So it is probably best you keep your mouth closed. Or just state who you are, and then you won't be such a coward.=

Faith said...

Well here I am again.
And I have a few things to say to all you “Anonymous” people out there who refuse to identify yourself. [Cowards]
Okay. First, Yes, PASTOR John Olivares is innocent. And it is extremely hard to prove any women, especially a GROUP of women, wrong. I could go out here right now and say that any random man has “inappropriately touched me”, and I could press charges and I am pretty sure I could win. It isn’t that hard these days. People will believe any random girl who cries wolf.
Next, I am a part of his family, and “Anonymous” claims that “He and his family act as if they are above most people and parade around preaching thier idea of religion and making a complete mockering of God” –We do not parade around better than ANYONE. In fact, the man that was Pastor John’s so-called friend & the one who turned on him, Ken P., actually gets address by Pastor John. In Wal-mart, where Ken works, Pastor John is forced to run into Ken every once in a while, and guess what he does?? He shakes his hand and smiles the big smile he has been smiling for years, and asks how Ken is doing. And if Ken tells the truth, then he can vouch for that. Pastor John is such a man of God that because HE knows he did not do anything inappropriate, he forgives the ones who have came against him, because THEY are NOT worth HIM going to Hell over.
Oh. And just let me make a correction right now. The same “Anonymous” person that I have been talking to this entire time, you also stated that “Not only has he done this now, he was accused of sexually assaulting his own daughter…”— THIS IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT. He has NEVER been accused of doing ANYTHING to ANY of his daughters. And I can guarantee you that all three of them would tell you that.
You also stated that “all the while playing church and causing several people to lose their faith or just turn away from God because they want no part of the God that they see through that whole family…”— in this, you were referring to Asst. Pastor Tanya, also his youngest daughter. Okay. IF you are so HOLY and you know so much about God and Christianity, then DON’T YOU THINK that you would ALSO know that the bible say NOT TO JUDGE. Who are YOU to say she is playing church & driving people away from God?? You are no more than me or the next person. God tells us in Matthew 7:1-2 “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” So you who are judging, do you think that you have ANY right to? No. You do not. Because one sin compared to another sin, is the same in God’s eyes. So those lies you have spread, and those rumors you have started, that is just as much of a sin, to God, as a murderer… because in a way, you too are murdering someone with the false accusations that you are spreading about them… You are murdering their witness.
Also, there was some other anonymous person who felt the need to not only bring Tanya in this, but to also bring her oldest daughter in it as well. As I asked before, who are you to sit there and judge them? Tanya has never EVER claimed to be married to Tim. NEVER. And they DO not live together. What is it to you anyways? Do you simply LIVE to tear people down? And for your information, we ALL have our own beliefs, and her daughter Erica IS MARRIED, and extremely tickled PINK ABOUT IT and her soon to be daughter. Just because you do not believe in a Holy Wedding that takes vows before God, does NOT MEAN that you have ANY RIGHT to go knocking someone else’s beliefs.
So next time you let your mouth fly and you let your gossip column run wildly, think about it: WWJD, What Would Jesus Do? Am I hurting other people by saying this?
Because you OBVIOUSLY know or have known Tanya & Erica really well at one point in time, and just think of the pain you are causing them. We are human, so unfortunately, we are hurt by other people’s words; so next time, why don’t you just take a moment to think about it. God wouldn’t just let his mouth & temper fly wildly, why should you?
Also,
I am also deeply sorry that you feel this way: “Whether a person choses to believe in God or not, is their decision...I pray anyone looking for God doesnt turn to the Olivares family or their "so called" church to find HIM!” – Because God IS blessing Pastor John Olivares church. And the hand of God is always in that place, whether church is going on or not, GOD STILL DWELLS IN THAT PLACE and through Pastor John Olivares very strongly. If anything, this entire situation has made him a better man and a stronger person in Christ, and I know it has most definitely taught me patients. I have learned to really listen to the word where it says in Matthew 5:43-44, “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.” These are probably the hardest scriptures in the bible, to me anyways, to actually abide by and follow. But God is teaching me to be patient, because in the end, he will reign and he will take care of the ones who are unjust.
I am praying for you all,
Faith
aka the Oldest Granddaughter of John Olivares

KRISTI - not anonymous said...

faith - i hope that your "true christianity" reigns through all of this....i truly do because you are sooo naive and innocent and your sticking up for your grandpa is only natural instinct, but i do hope that your world does not come crashing down for your sake. as for your comments on ken p. knowing him the way that i do he would most definately KINDLY shake johnny's hand at the doors of walmart and ask him how he's doing for he is a caring and loving CHRISTIAN man. now as for your family quoting all this scripture around town and such... the devil also knows every word in the Bible too but he doesn't know what it means either and anyone can memorize words but if you don't live by those words then they are useless........ we could get on here and have a fued over whether or not johnny olivares assaulted those girls or not but the fact remains he plea bargained and in a sense admitted some guilt. you also have to remember that it would be very hard to come forward with something such as this and put yourself out there without knowing that something had happened to you- these girls came forward not to "crusify" johnny olivares for this but to get him the appropriate help so that this would not happen again- i know if i had been in that situation and known without a shadow of a doubt that i was innocent i would have fought all the way and not plea bargained!!! think about it..... ya'll can make all the excuses in the world for him and probably have some people believing ya'll and the other side has believers as well too but in the end GOD knows what happened and i pray for all involved and their souls because that is the way this should be handled and YOU should pray for it in both scenarios as well-
(1)as if johnny is telling the truth then pray for him to overcome this battle and the 1 year of sexual abuse counseling will help him and him to help others and that GOD not hold it against the girls and the other scenario is:
(2)as if the girls are telling the truth then pray for the girls to regain their faith and for GOD to not hold it against johnny and that his counseling will actually help him to not do those things to other girls.
because Faith human nature tells us to protect our family we sometimes do it without reason because we do not WANT TO BELIEVE that someone we love is capable of doing such vile things as this .... i will tell you this though maybe you need to place yourself outside the family for a while and ask is not every sexual predater SOMEONE'S son, husband, father,or grandfather????? i'm sure they never thought they would do what they did either- MAY GOD BLESS EVERY PERSON INVOLVED!!!!!!!

Racheal Hogan said...

To all who read this and dare to put lies upon people. I currently attend this church.Bro.Johnny is a true man of GOD.as for you putting lies on here about his family obvioussly you are to scared to face your own problems.Now get a life and leave this family alone.Because this man could never do that and as for the women.Yall need to quit trin to have everyone feel sorry for your lien cheating butts.AS for you loosing faith in GOD you must notta ever had faith to begin with.As for me i went into that church not knowing of God and Bro.Johnny and Sis.Tonya both helped me get my life on track.So to all the people who believe lies and say its the truth please PRAY that GOD helps you know what the truth is.your truely RACHEAL HOGAN.....Thank you Brother Johnny and SISTER TONYA for all you did for me....I love yall AND your beautiful FAMILY....

Racheal Hogan said...

To all who read this and dare to put lies upon people. I currently attend this church.Bro.Johnny is a true man of GOD.as for you putting lies on here about his family obvioussly you are to scared to face your own problems.Now get a life and leave this family alone.Because this man could never do that and as for the women.Yall need to quit trin to have everyone feel sorry for your lien cheating butts.AS for you loosing faith in GOD you must notta ever had faith to begin with.As for me i went into that church not knowing of God and Bro.Johnny and Sis.Tonya both helped me get my life on track.So to all the people who believe lies and say its the truth please PRAY that GOD helps you know what the truth is.your truely RACHEAL HOGAN.....Thank you Brother Johnny and SISTER TONYA for all you did for me....I love yall AND your beautiful FAMILY.....