Saturday, April 14, 2007

Baptist Pedophile in Lubbock Texas

Blaine Miller, a youth pastor at Lakeridge Baptist Church has been arrested for sexual assault of a child younger than 17. Miller has been employed as a youth pastor since his arrest on sexual assault of a minor in 2004.

Merle Fulmer, the senior pastor at Lakeridge Baptist Church said:

"Nothing in his character would make me suspicious"

Of course, Fulmer knew about the 2004 sexual assault charge and kept it from the parents of children at his church. Let's see, "Nothing in his Character would make me suspicious", that sounds odd. Is Fulmer an idiot? At a minimum, duty of care for the members of his church dictates that Miler be kept away from children. I wonder if Pastor Fulmer knows the meaning of the word "culpability". Because, I am sure the parents of the most recently victim will be happy to explain it to him over some tasty tort action. Or perhaps the DA will take an interest.

Note to pastor Fulmer - culpability means the degree of blameworthiness in the commission of a crime. Sexual assault is a crime. You new Miller was a sexual predator. You let him work with children... Let's see, 2+2 = 4, or in your case 2+2 = 1.5, the rest falls on Miller. Texas prisons can be such fun places...

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Sacred Slut said...

Maybe Fulmer is a ped himself. That would explain why it didn't seem like a character defect.

It seems to me that any male who volunteers to work with youth, especially in a church setting, should automatically be suspected as a pedophile. Sad, but too often the case to be naive about it.

Anonymous said...

Thats my church... let me correct what you (and the media) have wrong.

First of all, Bro. Fulmer didn't keep anything from the parents. When he was hired, the parents were informed. Of coarse, if someone new walked in the door, we didn't introduce him as Bro. Blaine and "Ohh by the way...", but anybody who spent any regular amount of time with us would have known....

Second, being accused (having an indictment) does not mean your guilty, you seem educated enough to understand that....

Third, think about the third amendment.... "... have a right to a fair and speedy trial...". Don't you think that if there was enough evidence to convict him, they would have gone to trial already? Its been more than three years....

Thats not all, but thats all I have time for....

P.S., check your spelling....

Mojoey said...

Spelling and I do not get along. Thanks for the heads up.
After reading your response, I am confused. When Blaine was hired, are you saying that the church was informed? It seems that you are saying some members were, while some members were not, which in my book is equivocation. I think what you are saying is, Blaine pending prosecution on child molestation charges were not formally disclosed to the member of the church. However, his misdeeds may have come up in conversation. My point stands. If Fulmer or the leadership knew of the problem, they had a moral obligation to tell the member of the church – formally.
Duty of care has a specific meaning. It means you are required to exercise a reasonable standard of care when performing any acts (like leading a church) that could foreseeably harm others (like hiring an alleged pedophile to work with children). The right thing to do, the moral thing to do, is to prevent Blaine from working with children until the issue is resolved. Any reasonable person understands this concept, so will a jury.
Blain’s right to a fair and speedy trail is not the issue here, now is it?
P.S., check your spelling…

Anonymous said...

This is my church also. The parents were not informed of Bro. Blaines past not in any formal meeting anyway. We were there when he was voted on & nothing was ever mentioned about the charges. Mabe some of the staff knew,but the average member did not.I like Blaine & yes he seems like a good man,but,I don't believe he should still be in position of youth director until this is over. If for no other reason but to save himself anymore grief of another parent jumping on the band wagon

Anonymous said...

This is my church as well and Fulmer did not formally notify the parents of Bro. Blaine's past. There were small cells within the church that were told that Bro. Blaine had "allegations against him". I'm sorry, but allegations and Indictments are two totally different things. Fulmer has gone to great lengths to brush this under the carpet, and according to his interview on Fox34 it seems that Fulmer is a human lie detector as well. The bottom line is this, Fulmer put the church at risk by hiring Bro. Blaine and Bro. Blaine put the church at risk by accepting the position.

Anonymous said...

It is hard to believe that a pastor would put his entire ministry on the line to hire an individual that he frankly, did not know much about. It makes me sick that he would 100% back his youth pastor, not even knowing the evidence in the case. I have done about 15 minutes of research, and I feel better informed than Mr. Fulmer. The parishioners at LakeRidge Baptist Church should consider this. The newly elected District Attorney in Jasper County has based his entire campaign on being tough on crime. Out of a backlog of nearly 500+ cases, this is one of the first cases that the new DA is attempting to prosecute. Since 2000 Jasper County has convicted 100% of its criminal cases that have made it to trial. If Blaine Miller is found guilty Mr. Fulmer will have some tough questions to answer, and LakeRidge Baptist church will have some tough decisions to make.

Anonymous said...

Just to set the record straight..

The church was NOT informed. When Blaine was voted in on a temporary basis, someone in the congregation asked him why he left his church in Kirbyville. His answer, in a nutshell, was that he and the church did not have the same vision for the youth group, so he was asked to leave. Anyone who knew of this incident knew because Blaine told them in private. This was never discussed in a public forum. Church members were not informed as a whole until it became obvious that this was going to press.

Although some people in the church knew of Blaine's legal troubles, the majority did not. In fact, there were times I inquired about it and was told that it was over. I did not know of his indictment until I read it on a Lubbock news channel's webpage.

Do I think Blaine is a pedophile? Not really. But I don't consider myself qualified to make such character judgements. From what I know, child molesters don't typically wear signs. Perhaps Pastor Fulmer has some insight that is only afforded to pastors and not regular church members.

At the very least, Lakeridge has been kept in the dark about the trouble ahead. Perhaps this is just the devil at work, as Bro. Fulmer contends, however, the church needs to realize that they are not operating in a supernatural state and face reality. Bro. Miller could go to prison, or at the very least have to register as a sex offender. Will the pastor still keep him on staff if that happens?

I think that it shows a great deal of narcissism and arrogance for Blaine Miller to have sought out a job as a youth pastor with this hanging over his head. By taking this job, he has put this church at risk. It shows an even greater amount of ignorance for the pastor and the personnel committee (yes I know how Baptist churches work) to hire him until this is water under the bridge. It is great that the church stands behind him. But do they do it out of true loyalty or are they in fear of retribution by the pastor? Pastor Fulmer has made it clear that anyone who is not for him is against him.

Mojoey said...

Hi all you anonymous posters. I want to thank you for posting here at Deep Thoughts. Clergy abuse and abuse of power, especially when it deals with our children, is something I care deeply about. I am sorry your church had to go through this mess. It seems like a little care on the part of your pastor would have prevented this.

I can only offer two suggestions - throw your pastor our, or vote with your feet and find another place to worship.

The truth is what matters. We must all strive to tell the truth and live the truth. I want to thank you all for bringing the truth here. Accountability normally follows.

Anonymous said...

Lets see, mojoey you must not be a christian. One who has given his life to Jesus Christ. Blaine Miller is innocent. Then for someone who is not even a member of this church, or more so of Gods Family to comment on this matter is wrong. As for the person that thinks wrong of Brother Fulmer that person must not be saved either. Both of these men are Godly men. I work with the youth at this church and am proud of both Brother Fulmer and Brother Miller with the way they have led this flock of Gods children in worship of our heavenly father. Futher more for those of you out there that want to jump on the band wagon and judge these two men, mabye you should read the bible, if you have one and if you dont mabye you should get one. God says that we are not to judge lest we be judged.

Anonymous said...

Sounds to me like you are Judging Mr. MoJoey. This is my church as well, and I am disappointed in Bro. Fulmer and Bro. Blaine, as they have both put our church at risk. Anyone that is a member of our church should feel deceived. Sounds to me like you are too bent on worshiping these men. People do indeed make mistakes, and I think this is what we have here. There is much more to this case than we will ever know, so all we can do is sit back and let justice be served. You can’t sit back and proclaim a person’s innocence without knowing all the facts. Besides what is perceived on the outside is not what is always on the inside.

Mojoey said...

Anonymous said...
Lets see, mojoey you must not be a christian. - I am an Atheist.
 
Blaine Miller is innocent. - No, Blaine Miller is charged with a serious crime. His guilt or innocence will be determined by a jury of peers.
 
Then for someone who is not even a member of this church, or more so of Gods Family to comment on this matter is wrong. - "Wrong" is a strong statement. I have every right to comment of the crimes and misdeeds of others.  My lack of faith is irrelevant.
 
As for the person that thinks wrong of Brother Fulmer that person must not be saved either. Both of these men are Godly men. - I do not grant pastors special status simply because they are pastors. To do so would be unwise given the rise is pastor abuse cases. In fact, the whole point my series of posts on this subject is to draw attention to the unwise assumption that "Godly Men" are above reproach.
 
God says that we are not to judge lest we be judged. - Matt 7:1 is entirely incomplete. This verse is not speaking to not judging at all -- it is speaking to not judging unfair or any other cheap and selfish way. - Why is it that people use Matt 7:1 to excuse the poor performance of others. Matt 7:1 is about the pureness of your heart. It is not telling us to be without judgment (or the ability to discern evil intent).
 
At this point, I would suggest your ability to lead at your church has been compromised by poor judgment.

Anonymous said...

No it is speaking to not judging, period. There is no wavering to either side. God says to not judge.

Mojoey said...

No it is speaking to not judging, period. There is no wavering to either side. God says to not judge. - The about absolutes that find amusing is how often the are interpreted differently by others of the same fail. Your position is an interpretation - many others interpret it differently. Fundamentalism deals in absolutes, it also fosters environment where pastors can molest children. Common sense, logic, reason, and even your bible encourage you to use discernment. People can and do commit crimes, you should have the common sense to see that even if you blindly misinterpret a bible verse.

Anonymous said...

Some of these people need to quit drinking the Kool-Aid during snack time at LakeRidge Baptist Church. This man has been charged with a serious crime. The information that is out there is facts based on an indictment. No one is judging him, that will be done by the Jury when he goes to trial.

Anonymous said...

Your problem is your an atheist, you need Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mojoey said...

Your problem is your an atheist, you need Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!! [your should read You are, or you're]

This is not about me.

Anonymous said...

The bigger issue is the fact you do not have a personal relationsip with Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Please stop arguing with mojoey. This is not about him, its about our church. We have a huge problem here. I don't want to believe Blaine is guilty,but until he's proven innocent he doesnt need to be working with kids.Fulmer and Blaine have brought reproach on the church & I'm pretty sure the Bible tells us not to do that. If we would have known the whole story I feel quite sure Blaine would not have been hired, then to have Fulmer "lie" to us & the public via the media is wrong too,if for no other reason than we are also told not to lie. Very few at the church new Blaine before he was hired & the ones who did would never believe this of him, but for the safety of the church in general he should not be in any position of authority in the church. I'm not saying fire him, but leave with pay would be a good start. This whole situation could have been prevented if Fulmer didnt think he was the only "leader" in the church. It's no more his church only than anyone else's. Its such a shame some of us have to voice our opinion or feeling here instead of in our church,but we all know if we were to voice it we would be asked to leave-NOW!Fulmer doesnt have the respect of his members, he is FEARED by them. Just because we disagree with him we're wrong! To the person who also works with the youth,if you truely have their best interest at heart, no matter your personal feelings about either man, surely you know the way things have been handled is just plain wrong,Biblically & morally. If you are who I think you are how dare you judge anyone,saying those of us who speak againt Fulmer or Miller must not be saved,now who's judging. I just think we really need to look at the long term effects of this & put the Church first.

Anonymous said...

While I can agree that any unsaved person needs Jesus, do you think that Mojoey needs Jesus JUST because he doesn't subscribe to the Baptist hypocrisy that seems to be saying that if you don't agree with the pastor's decision to keep a man indicted for a sex crime against a youth as a youth pastor then you can't possibly be a Christian yourself? I would like to know where in the Bible it says that if you don't take everything your pastor says as gospel then your salvation is at risk. Maybe you can help me out with this one Mojoey because you seem to know more about what the Bible says than some of these so-called Christians. And if you are saying that a person isn't a Christian just because they don't believe the way you do, isn't that a form of judgement? Maybe Baptists are more liberal than I thought. They seem to think that 'the law' only applies to other people!

Jack Maddox said...

Blaine Miller is a former staff member of mine. I recommended him to the church in which the alleged event took place. I never saw nor had any reason to believe that Blaine was a pedophile. He was an excellent Youth and Music minister and served our church well. I am great friends with his pastor during the time of the alleged incident that took place, he also thinks the world of Blaine and his family.

Having said that, I do not know what happened in E Texas. Did Blaine do it? I dom not know...he says he did not and I trust he is correct...I pray that he is. But forgive me if I am somewhat jaded after seeing this same sorry scenario play out in so many ministers lives. I know much of the allegations and I know what Blaine has told me. Blaine put himself in a terrible position by being alone with this young lady where he would be beyond reproach. The fact that he has been indicted is very troubling. Grand Juries do not run around indicting these kind of cases on a simple whim. This for me is extremely disconcerting. However, Blaine is innocent untill proven guilty.

But in our line of business, I must say that is not enough. We have a holy obligation to operate under a differant set of rules.

For Bliane to be called as a Student Minister and FOR HIM TO ASCCEPT while all of this is going on is quite frankly beyond reason. I know if Blaine is reading this Blog he will know who this is...I welcome his call and a chance to discuss this with him...He knows I love him and his family dearly, but he has, along with his pastor used perhaps the poorest judgment one can use in this situation. I am amazed and dumbfounded at the lack of basic common sense much less a love for the bride of Christ, the church, in this whole sordid mess. There is no way on Gods Green Earth that a man or woman under indictment of a Grand Jury for inproper sexual behavior with a minor (Whether she is 7 or 17) should be serving in any active capacity as a Youth minister. The fact is that the minister allowed themselves to be put in a position that this accusation could be leveled is reason enough to exercise extreme caution. This for 99 out of a 100 pastors is simply a no brainer!

To those of you attacking the blog admin because of his lack of faith in Christ, perhaps we in the church need to 'fess up' that these kind of scenarios certainly are not helping us in the least bit in reaching folks like him.

"Let judgment begin in the house of God"

I love Blaine Miller and his family. They are dear people who helped our family greatly during a personal trial during the illness of one of our children. But I love the Lord Jesus Christ and His church even more...and for this I must say that Blaine and the Pastor have made a terrible mistake in this matter.

Jack Maddox
Pastor
FBC Dean, Texas

Anonymous said...

I am so glad someone like Bro Jack finally made a statement here. I hope many of the church members read what another pastor has to say about this situation. This is how myself & several others have felt since that fatal Wednesday when we all finally heard the news.I don't want to believe Blaine is guilty,but until the jury decides his fate, he should not be on staff. Nor should Fulmer. I have lost all respect & trust of that man. He lied to his church members & to the local media. We did not know of the acqusations much less the indictment until the Wednesday before the media was to make it know publically. Fulmer has lied to his members several times in the past few weeks,how can he continue to stand in the pulpit & look us in the eye knowing what he has done. I know he will never acknowledge his wrong-doings,but as a bible believing church we should do whats right for the church & ask him to leave. He has brought reproach upon the church,we are specifally told not to do that. Here's the problem, we do not have a body of deacons who will stand up to Fulmer,everyone knows what will happen if you cross him. I don't want to leave the church, thats my church home too. In this case I have done no wrong, why should I (or anyone else) have to leave. I would like to visit with Bro Jack or any other pastor out there to get their take on this.

Anonymous said...

Even though LakeRidge Baptist Church carries the Baptist Missionary Affiliation, LakeRidge is very much an Independent Baptist Church. Like most Independent Baptist Church’s the pastor has an extreme amount of power. I know that we have various committees, however like it or not they are just for show and the real decisions are made by Fulmer. Fulmer has too much power and it is to the point that the nominal church member cannot ask him to do what is right. However fear not, as tithing members of LakeRidge Baptist Church, we have a right to voice our opinion. Whether Fulmer or Miller likes it or not we pay their salaries, thus giving us the right to make decisions concerning their employment. Let us stand united and demand the right decisions be made concerning this situation. I applaud Pastor Jack, as he has brought some keen insight to this debacle.

Jack Maddox said...

I would like to caution the membership of LBC to be very careful to remember that your battle is not with Bro. Blaine or your Pastor. Our struggle is with those unseen forces of darkness and evil which seek to destroy men, families and ministries. Also remember that it is not you 'Who pay their salaries" but it is God who meets their needs. I am very hesitant to offer any direction of consequence but to say that I would recommend at the least 3 things

1) Pray for both of your staff people and your deacons who were involved. They need your prayers now more than ever. These are not perfect men as we can all agree...however, they are God's men and they need your prayers and love. And by the way...love always tells the truth and stands for what is right and noble. And love will never, and I mean never, violate scripture.

2) Recognize that much of the criticism that your church is and will receive is not just "The Devil attacking you"...but it is the response of a culture that is growing very weary of this kind of activity in the church. We need to hear the criticism and perhaps respond accordingly.

3) Remember that Bro. Blaine very well may be innocent. As his friend I am believing that he is and trusting that the process will show this to be true. If he is not then I also believe that the truth will come to light. Continue to love him and his family. I know for a fact that his wife and children are hurting through this. They are precious people who love God...please do not demonize them. It is for this very reason that I wish that Blaine would have stayed out of ministry until this was resolved. If Blaine is guilty, believe me, he will suffer the just consequences of his actions...and he will need our love more than ever.

And I guess I would add one more thing...as a Pastor, a parent, and a foster parent who deals with the results of child sexual abuse on a daily basis...DO EVERY THING YOU CAN TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN!!! This is not about Blaine or LBC...it is about the integrity of the gospel and the well being of children in whom Jesus stated "Of such is the kingdom of Heaven"

I know many atheist read this blog and it would be my desire that they know that the great majority of those of us who are Christians are just as bothered by this activity as you are. But it is not the predominant activity in our church’s…it is the exception to the rule, however, just one instance is to much and it is an imperative that we deal with it (The Church) accordingly…not in a way which we feel is right or just, but in a way which places children first.

Jack Maddox
Pastor
FBC Dean, Texas

Carolyn Ann said...

Well, I'm glad that this discussion is happening. Child abuse steals the innocence of childhood; it can destroy a life as surely as murder can.

However, I can't say that I agree with Pastor Maddox when he says:

"Our struggle is with those unseen forces of darkness and evil which seek to destroy men, families and ministries. Also remember that it is not you 'Who pay their salaries" but it is God who meets their needs."

I'm not disputing this as an atheist (which I most assuredly am), but as a matter of justice and the approach to justice that is required by society.

This is about accountability and the safety of the children and youths in Blaine's circle of responsibility. That Pastor Fulmer is so reckless as to hide the facts from his congregation is appalling. That some seem to condone this is even worse.

Pastor Fulmer is reckless in keeping pertinent information away from the parents.


Religion and child abuse, as Pastor Maddox notes, are really not compatible. I think the Catholic Church found that one out; it's a shame that there is even a debate about what to do in this church.

Pastor Maddox then says:
"This is not about Blaine or LBC...it is about the integrity of the gospel and the well being of children in whom Jesus stated "Of such is the kingdom of Heaven""

I'm sorry, Pastor Maddox. You got your priorities the wrong way round: children come first. Not the gospel; if the gospel is equal or above children, it can lead to all the justification a child molester needs.

To me, any ducking of the civil responsibility for the safety of the kids is cowardly. Pastor Fulmer proves his inability to lead a congregation with his "my way or the highway" attitude. Who does he think he is, dictating to parents their concerns for the safety of their children? That he apparently lied to the press, and hence the larger community, is (in my opinion) not a firing offense. It's a tar, feather and run out of town offense. How can he ask for the trust of his congregation when he's just blown it? He can't, and to trust someone like that is to condone his lying.

Besides that, the arrogance required to lie on that scale is an insult to all the honest and caring clergy and lay-clergy. Do you really want someone who is so careless with the truth to be a leader of a congregation?

Not only is Fulmer guilty of lying, he's also guilty of misleading people. He did this by "lying by ommision". Where (when?) does the lying stop? What are the boundaries of tolerance for such behavior?

Is it enough to grant him a free pass, and bless him because he acknowledges sinning? You and he will lose all credibility with the greater community; is that not a concern?

He, and Blaine, have to be held to a higher standard in order to earn the trust of the congregation. Trust is never granted simply because you're in a position of authority, no matter what Pastor Fulmer seems to think. He and Blaine should be holding themselves to an even higher standard than the congregation desires. They are religious leaders, not cappos.

It is about who pays the salary. It isn't about "dark forces". This isn't a matter of good versus evil, but of what is in the interests of the children and youth of the church. If Fulmer lied, he deserves to be fired. I've been in situations where lying is tolerated, and it is corrosive. It is better to be truthful, and to punish liars. Otherwise you're simply telling your children, and the world, "We tolerate lying here! Truth is not our concern!" Is that the reputation you want?

As I say, I'm rather heartened to see a serious and considered debate about child abuse within the church. But ducking behind "Christ" is simply avoiding responsibility; it is encouraging and condoning the lying and deceit.

Good luck in your debate; I sincerely hope you resolve the issue, and that other churches and congregations take note of your discussion. I'd prefer to see more names attached to comments, but if you're frightened of repercussions from your Pastor, I can understand the need to remain anonymous. (But you need to ask why you're fearful of the Pastor. Does he hold that much power? What's the worst he can do? Bad-mouth you in a sermon? Personally, I'd be rather proud if someone did that! Think on it; it's simply more indication that he needs to be tarred, feathered and run out of town.)

As I say, good luck and I really do hope you resolve this in favor of the children and youths.

Carolyn Ann

Jack Maddox said...

Carolyn Ann

How you could have taken what I said and misunderstood it any more is beyond me. No one is trying to 'hide behind' anything. In fact, I have no real disagreement with anything that you said. There are some issues in this discussion that applies to the church and I believe that is where you misunderstand me the most, however let me be clear.

1) There is nothing and I mean nothing that we in the church can use as an excuse for this kind of behavior. We cannot hide behind God, the gospel or our own set of standards. Scripture is clear , we must yield to the government and law in all things.

2) There is never, in my opinion, a good reason for a church to call a staff member who has been indicted for sexual misconduct of any kind. To do so is reckless and wrong.

I agree Carolyn that children come first...always they come first. My comment concerning the integrity of the gospel was simply meant that if we in the church continue to cover up these kind of issues then folks like yourself will have a hard time ever taking anything we have to say with any serious thought and contemplation. And I really do not blame you. AT the risk of sounding elitist I am dealing with some theological principles that you as a atheist would have a hard time understanding.

As far as social justice and the protection of children, I would really ask you to read my earlier comments and rethink your interpretation of my position...you and I are far closer than you seem to think. You really do not know me nor do you understand the advocacy role I play in this issue. I very well understand the ramifications of Child sexual abuse and the terrible results it has in the life of a child. I also understand that the grace and love of God is applicable to all…the victim and the perp….however, we must always side with the victim and as you so rightly say “Place children first”

Jack Maddox

Carolyn Ann said...

My apologies for the misunderstanding, Pastor Maddox. We go by what we read, and always apply our own "filters".

Some of the earlier posts were, in my opinion, making an effort to hide behind Christianity; it was apparent (to me) when it was stated that Mojoey needed to embrace Christ:

"One who has given his life to Jesus Christ. Blaine Miller is innocent. Then for someone who is not even a member of this church, or more so of Gods Family to comment on this matter is wrong. As for the person that thinks wrong of Brother Fulmer that person must not be saved either. Both of these men are Godly men."

That is hiding behind Christianity.

When Christianity is used as an excuse, or as a door to prevent the full and frank discussion of the problem, it's akin to hiding.

I sincerely apologize for not being clear. I do believe you have acted with honesty and forthrightness. But I still think that your comment re "the forces of darkness" provides a cover for others, even if not for yourself. It allows others to hide behind Christianity; they can claim "the devil made him do it", and so avoid confrontation with Fulmer.

I consider his lying worthy of confrontation. When someone in authority, like Fulmer, lies he doesn't (as you say) help his faith. But more than that, he abuses the trust of his congregation and the wider community.

I'll grant that I'm not as familiar with Baptist theology as you may be. (I'll simply note that I did grow up in a religious household.) But I think that's by the by; theology has nothing to say about honesty in this case. There is no presumption of deitific involvement in an accusation of sexual abuse. This is a straightforward criminal case.

I know churches are wrestling with the concept of accepting ex-cons, sometimes with violent crimes to their name. The very human emotions of horror and "I don't want to be near that person!" are as strong, and maybe stronger, than the call to "love all" (to paraphrase). It's a dichotomy and a discussion I can't answer, and won't. But I do have to note that Fulmer's lying and Blaine's reticence catapult the issue away from theology and firmly into the area of secular trust. Trust between a congregation and its pastor, and trust between the members of the congregation. Fulmer has abused and manipulated that trust.

If this were a secular situation - a school teacher, a baseball coach, etc - the matter would be considered a purely legal matter. There would be no hesitation in removing, or preventing, that person from interacting with minors. If the person proved innocent, they may be able to resume their past activities. However, it is unlikely. Is it any different when it comes to the church?

If the head little-league baseball coach covered for the pitching coach's abuse, how long do you think the coach would have that job? Even if the pitching coach was found innocent, the coach would have destroyed all trust. Is that any different to Fulmer's situation?

Again, I apologize for misunderstanding you. It wasn't deliberate! And also for not being as clear as I should have been.

Carolyn Ann

PS Hopefully I "got" what you were saying this time!

Carolyn Ann said...

My sense of fair play ensures that I tell you that I've commented on this subject over on my blog.

As this is Mojoey's blog, I'm not going to explicitly say where that is. (I consider it quite rude to hawk your own blog on someone else's!)

I just don't feel comfortable making a comment about a conversation, and then not telling the participants that I've discussed that conversation with others. (I consider it backstabbing, and I don't indulge in it*).

Carolyn Ann

*With the usual caveats about it being important, etc. Trivial conversations, etc. But when the subject is serious, and is being taken seriously, I don't like to hide behind obscurity.

Anonymous said...

I am begging mojoey to not take this blog off. I hope & pray someone from our church sees all of this and has the guts to say something to all of the members & Fulmer & Miller. I personally don't know if I have what it takes to do publically. This has all been handled soooo wrong & I hope it's all made right (or as right as can be) very soon.

Mojoey said...

Since I'm in Del Rio Texas this week, I'm feeling neighborly. No worries here - you Lubbock folk can post here as long as you like.

Mojoey said...

Carolyn ann – you are always welcome to post links back out to your blog.

Anonymous said...

As the days and weeks go by since we have been notified of this incident concerning Blaine, there are a few things that are getting increasingly tiring. First, I am tired of my personal integrity as well as the integrity of our fellow members and church being questioned because of this incident. It seems like anyone you talk to in this community who knows that you are a member at LakeRidge Baptist Church, wants question or offer their opinion concerning this matter. Brother Koresh…Oh…I mean Brother Fulmer doesn’t help the cause with his bone headed statements to the media and the unending lies and stubbornness concerning this incident. I read earlier this week in the AJ, that Blaine’s trial may be pushed back, I sure Brother Fulmer will conceal this from the congregation as long as possible, and then offer some sort of crafty spin on why the trial is being pushed back. Again tiring. Secondly, I am tired of the excuse for the poor choices that are being made at our church, being that Satan is in the church and trying to cause division. Give me a break this is far too serious, to use the devil made them do it excuse. So Brother Fulmer this is for you, as I am sure that you are reading this just like everyone else at our church. It is apparent that when one compares your statements to the statements made by Pastor Jack on this blog, that pastor Jack had a far closer relationship with Blaine than you do Mr. Fulmer. You don’t hear Pastor Jack 100% backing Blaine….You hear pure wisdom concerning this matter. Mr. Fulmer, since you like to blame Satan, did you ever consider that maybe you let Satan in the door when you hired Blaine Miller? Hold your wad…I am not saying that Blaine is Satan, rather I am saying that the baggage Blaine brought with him is a breeding ground for Satan. Mr. Fulmer, did you ever consider that maybe Blaine was preying on this church because he was tired of slinging slop at Taco Villa? Our church is hurting,…its reputation is being tarnished. Mr. Fulmer do the right thing for once, and remove Blaine Miller until this problem is resolved. Mr. Fulmer feel free to respond.

Anonymous said...

you all should have left thing alone.

Carolyn Ann said...

I have to ask: what does "you all should have left things alone" mean?

Is it a threat? If so, then stop hiding behind "anonymous" and state your name, and your intentions.

This is a case that concerns the church, and it's also a case that has captured some attention in the wider community. The fact that you think it shouldn't be addressed is neither here nor there: unless you explain why. Especially if you're going to leave ominous-reading statements on someone else's blog.

I have a suspicion you're one of two people. Have a guess who I think you are. Either way (right or wrong, just in case you don't understand me), making ominous statements guarantees you'll receive nothing but contempt from me.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

why would you open up a blog in the first place about someone you don,t know ? just to see how much trouble you can make?

Mojoey said...

I "opened a blog" for illumination - or knowledge. Sexual abuse hides behind power - even the power of the church. Illumination - gaining knowledge that is - may be painful, but it is also cathartic. It helps people who are victims of abuse purge the pain.

I also write because I do not hold men to be holy simply because they are pastors. I believe someone must hold others accountable. It is clear the Fulmer runs his church as a demigod – he leads and members follow. This divine leadership approach fosters abuse. The Baptist church is highly susceptible to this kind of abuse because of its loose affiliation, small churches, and lack of accountability.

I also write because I care about truth. I see in this case is that people were mislead in their search for the truth. It is healthy to provide a forum to discuss issues of this nature. It is clear that members of the church do not feel free to seek the truth locally. Allowing them to do so is an honor.

I write because I want to help. I write because I love my fellow man and do not understand how abuse like this is allowed to happen. I write because I am a victim of abuse myself, as are many of my friends. I write because I am a parent. I write because I am an American. But most importantly for me – I write because I feel compelled to write.

You are right – I make trouble for people – they usually deserve it.

Why do you hide? Who are you, the pedophile or the enabler?

What do they say in Christian circles, “name your sin”?

Carolyn Ann said...

One may as well ask why we read newspapers, gossip or buy "People" magazine. (Which I have never actually read, let alone purchased!)

When you prevent people chatting about other people, you basically restrict conversation to "nice weather".

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

Do you know how much this blog has hurt people you don,t know? some people don,t care and why? lets see if someone had something on you would you like everybody in the world to know that?

Anonymous said...

Listen don't kill the messenger. You can't blame this blog for the poor choices made by Blaine and Brother Fulmer. Thanks to the public information act the world has the right to know if they are consorting with potential criminals or in this case a child predator. If someone had something on me, I would probably not want the world to know....But that is the consequences for poor choices and potentially committing a crime. Everyone is suffering the consequences of the lies and deceit surrounding this situation. So quit playing the martyr, as you are making us fellow Christians look like idiots.

Carolyn Ann said...

The potential for this blog to hurt someone is actually neither here nor there.

People have a right, a right that is inviolable, to say what they want. This is America: even the unpopular idea gets a chance to be uttered. (Whether it gets listened to is an entirely different matter!) It's in The Constitution: the First Amendment.

I don't think it matters if someone "has something on me". It really doesn't matter, and not just because I don't care. Because I don't go around whining that the world isn't playing by my rules.

This story is news. It's been covered by the news media, and it's of interest to the community. It's also of interest to the larger community. I think Mojoey's efforts at highlighting sexual predators in the religious setting (accused, alleged, and convicted) is important and I definitely applaud his efforts with this.

Miller and Fulmer made some poor decisions. Sweeping them under the rug does nothing except insult the congregations, and the friendship of Pastor Maddox.

Sexual predation is a problem in the church. Ignoring it, in the fear that someone might have their feelings hurt, is not an option. Church members deserve, and have an absolute right, to know who their children are interacting with.

The Church certainly isn't having the required discussion. It's ignoring the problem, maybe hoping no one notices. In the pre-Internet days this might have been possible. Today: forget it. Instant, global, access to the information means that it can now be seen to be a significantly larger problem than might have been thought. That Mojoey is collecting the information and allowing everyone else to see how pervasive this problem really is, is wonderful. The Churches should be doing it themselves, but they aren't.

Inasmuch as society is concerned about privacy, society has repeatedly said that they don't really care about the privacy of sexual predators. While alleged crimes deserve some degree of anonymity those of the sexual predator deserve less. Especially when it comes to children.

So quit whining, to be blunt. The world has an habit of ignoring whining and doing what it wants to, anyway. If someone is hurt by these allegations, what's the significant difference to the hurt perpetrated on a child by a sexual predator? The alleged criminals pain? The foolish attempts at covering up? Or the fact that dirty laundry is being aired? Whatever the reason, I see no reason for Mojoey to not continue his project.

And I see every reason for the members of the Lakeridge Church in Lubbock, Texas to continue debating this issue here. The "anonymous" comments seem to be helping the discussion, and it's certainly neutral "ground".

I sincerely hope that you understand what Mojoey is doing, and the need for open, honest and frank discussion.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

if you are a christian why are you posting. you know that a sin In your book. mojoey is nothing but a trouble maker and your following in his plans to do all the damage posabile. enjoy in your fun If you will.

Carolyn Ann said...

From my blog:

Mojoey has no responsibility to those he writes about. If they stand accused, or convicted, of heinous crimes - and sexual predation is one of the most heinous - and Mojoey has discovered this (by whatever means), he can write about it. He bears no responsibility for anyone being "hurt".

Even if Mojoey setup a blog, or a website, or even published a book, that solely concerned with this topic, he bears no responsibility to the people he would write about. He needs to be concerned only with the accuracy of his allegations if he doesn't want to be sued. You can't be sued for libel if the accusation is true. That was proven a few centuries ago! ... But he gets his information from reliable sources - the news media - and can publish it with the knowledge that he's publishing accurate information.

Freedom of expression simply means that no one can stop anyone from saying whatever they want. ... Mojoey has every right, and then some, to publish his blog and the statements in it. He performs a public service in that he's the only one (I'm aware of) who is collecting this sort of information. Instead of complaining that it's hurtful, the entire church system needs to figure out how deal with this problem. One thing for sure: it's not going away, and it's not likely to. The informal structure of the church helps the predator, not the congregation. And it's only by throwing a large, and ever-brighter, spotlight onto this issue that the extent of it becomes clear.

Don't get me wrong: there are plenty of honest and genuinely caring Pastors and other religious leaders out there. ... I'd rather that their reputation not be sullied by inaction and willful, even deliberate, ignorance. The honest, as always, fantastically outnumber the criminal, the liar, the negligent and the truly hurtful. But those people will affect the reputation of the church more assertively than any number of honest Pastors.

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I am concerned about the statement:
"if you are a christian why are you posting. you know that a sin In your book. ..."

Is it really a sin to discuss matters of importance within a community? Or are you simply suggesting that the blog of an atheist is not the appropriate place? The forum is, at the very least, neutral.

What you are saying, in so many words, is that you don't like the conversation, and you think the comments should not be stated. Mojoey has every right to allow the comments - he's actually being very generous, many other blog owners would simply close off the comments. You would rather stifle free speech about this than allow the congregation the space to comment, and maybe figure out how they want to approach this whole matter. Shame on you.

It's a sin, inasmuch as I understand "sin" to avoid, sweep under the rug, evade and ignore deeply troubling issues such as sexual predators in any environment.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

crossdreaser and mojoey what a pair .both of you have no educated guess who these people are and the person has not been charged with any crime .so you two need to leave people alone and if you think some one is not playing fair because thay post anonymous well look at your self. I would not trust both of you in a dog fight.

Carolyn Ann said...

Wow. I'm impressed.

You put all those words together yourself, did you?

Whatever you think, neither Mojoey nor I have said anything offensive - except to you. You're the one hiding behind "anonymous". Leave off the insults, and we can have a discussion. Otherwise, forget it.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

What help slander? down grade them ? call them a lier? what you have done is not help thats what I see.I refuse to talk with two people that just don,t care who thay have hurt and exposed things to the world .I hope some day things turn on you.

Anonymous said...

If this is Mike B, which I am assuming it probably is, please stop posting to this blog. Your comments are making you look like a bigger idiot. Apparently you do not understand how a blog works. Very few of the comments on the blog have been made by Mojoey and Carolyn Ann, as the majority of the comments have been made by fellow church members. Fulmer’s dictatorship does not offer a forum for us church member s that has a problem with this to speak, therefore we have to do it here. Blaine has been indicted for a serious crime and will most likely be found guilty given the county that it is in. STOP SHIFTING THE BLAME!

Mojoey said...

"no educated guess" anonymous poster - I beg to differ. I am a former Christian. At one time ,I was on the road to becoming a pastor. I lost my faith in part from meeting a man who makes your Pastor Fulmer look like an amateur. Do you recall Jim Jones?

I have also been involved in a church based sexual abuse case. Including dealing with church management team which protected the abuser. In addition to this, I hold a graduate degree from a prestigious Christian university.

the person has not been charged with any crime - Are you sure? Blaine Miller goes to trial this month in Jasper County.

You people need to leave people alone - I posted an article. The community responded with outrage. I only respond to people who attack me. The church and its members will work out how to deal with its pastor. The pedophile in their midst will likely be taken care of by the courts.

As too posting anonymously - I don't mind. However, if you attack me or my friends (and yes I proudly call Carolyn ann a friend even though I have never met him), then my response may be direct and unkind.

Replying to the problem your church faces is proper, attacking me anonymously is cowardice.

I would not trust both of you in a dog fight. -  Your loss. I am exactly the type of person you want to bring to a fight.

Please use this space to help your church. If you want to attack me. Send me an email.

Anonymous said...

Please be unkind and direct. you like to attack people then get on with it. get on with your head hunting. come up with some more stuff .posting on here being anonymous is causeing you grief then thats what I in tend to do.

Jack Maddox said...

I was rather quite hesitant to post again concerning this subject due to the fact that I really said what I needed to say and my comments were, as I suspected they would be, quite upsetting to the Millers. I have spoke with Mrs. Miller since the post and explained my position and as you can imagine she did not agree nor was she in favor of my posting. She and Blaine feel betrayed by my position and for this I am sorrowful. However, My position stands and I am unbending in it! I understand why she feels the way she does and only the Lord knows the burden I feel for the hurt that Georgia, the boys and even Blaine are going through. But still it must be said that in any situation it is wrong to cover up, to hide, to conceal or even deny in a case like this. Even if our motives are to protect the people we feel have been wrongly accused, our ultimate concern as ministers, as youth and children workers and as human beings are to protect children. As a pastor I have a responsibility to protect my church from the scrutiny of a media that does not know the whole story. I have a responsibility to live my life and pastor my church 'Above reproach" as scripture clearly teaches. To me the question is not did Blaine do this or not. He says he did not and until I am convinced otherwise or it is proven otherwise I believe him. The problem here was pursuing a call to ministry when pursuing that call could cause irreparable harm on the ministry itself, the church and the family of those who are affected. For we as Christians to claim that the world 'should not be talking about this' is simply naive and reeks of more dishonesty and stealth. The idea that because this is a secular/athiest Blog has no bearing on this issue. In fact, as a Christian, I feel a greater responsibility to deal with folks on this forum with the reality that folks in the church really do not, on the whole, endorse the decisions that our made by so many who are attempting to protect the accused. I feel a biblical obligation to engage athiest/deist/secularist in an honest discusion of these issues and other issues also. The fact that these discussions are painful should not surprise anyone. The fact that they are painful should not deter us from having them. I am sorry that my comments have caused a breach of fellowship between myself and a family that I dearly love...however, I am not the one who has made that call...I am not the one that made our relationship conditional on blind support...and I am certainly not the one who is the cause of all of this. But if I can, by Gods grace and for His glory, be one He uses to bring help and healing to those who are affected...than I am gladly one who can take a few verbal barbs and attacks to do so!

Pastor Jack Maddox
FBC Dean, Texas

Anonymous said...

I hate to see this type of negative publicity for Christianity and what at one time seemed to be a wonderful church. While I do respect Merle Fulmer and consider him a close friend, he made a terrible error in judgement. His "job" is not only to train the saints to carry out the great commission but to protect the local church. Whether Blaine is guilty or not is not for me to say. The fact that an indictment was against him, such a serious and negative charge, should have disqualified him from any consideration from any church anywhere until guilt or innocence had been established. The right to question a cover up or integrity of the leadership of our church is justified. But it should be done in a Christian manner. Matthew tell us if we have ought against a brother we are to got to him. How many of you have gone to Bro. Fulmer and as a Christian shared face to face with him your concerns. Not Many if any!!!
As far as dictators in this church has anyone forgot the dictatorship of the last pastor. You know the one who left his wife and basically did not share the truth with the church. His wife is the one who told the whole story!! Do we see a pattern here?

Has anyone also considered how "cursed" we have been when it comes to controversy with our youth pastors. Remember the one who was fired by the pastor only to cause enough crap the pastor wound up resigning. Then there was the guy who wouldn't do anything only to be followed with a guy who had an affair with a college student in the church and then the guy who wrecked the van and church car only to have the trustees tell him he couldn't drive anymore of the church vehicles. And then this!!!

Has anyone considered that maybe the leadership structure is flawed? There are enough committes in this church that we should share the leadership roles. While I do agree the pastor is the under shepherd of the flock. He is not the dictator. Wayne and Barbara are the only ones who should be left on staff, including the little ego that is secretary. The janitorial staff should be allowed to stay. And what is to be said about our trustees and deacons? What is their function if all these things have been allowed to happen with these men and women in place? Should the whole leadership be fired and started over with new by laws and church constitution? I mean how functional are th trustees when we have had D.I. as chairman for so many years in the past? Don't we need more people who will have the intestinal fortitude to ask why, in the right way?

Anonymous said...

Hey brother I agree with you 100%. But here is the problem, I went to Fulmer to speak with him about Blaine, and he will not even listen to what you have to say. This was before all of this hit the fan. Blaine is his Boy. So what's a church member to do?

Carolyn Ann said...

Thank you, Pastor Maddox for posting your comments. I can empathize with you re "unconditional support"; I've had it foisted - also unwittingly - on me.

Earlier in the conversation, Pastor Maddox said this:

"Also remember that it is not you 'Who pay their salaries" but it is God who meets their needs."

And now we have someone who complains that Fulmer is being obnoxious and refusing to discuss his decisions.

Well, the Congregation does pay Fulmer's salary. He has to eat, pay his mortgage, etc. That money comes from the church, unless he's providing his services for free. That also means he's not the boss: he's not the CEO of a corporation, or an Army General (although he comes across as trying to be like that!), he's the Pastor of a church. While his position might be "shepherd", everyone has to remember that a shepherd doesn't dictate where a flock goes; he influences it. Usually with dogs. Maybe it's time to rethink the analogy? (At least in this case?)

Fulmer should be concerned that he might be fired. (He should be concerned about tarring and feathering, but it doesn't sound like that!) He's obviously not listening to the Congregation. That's a problem, right there.

I was interested in the one comment about the various committees the church has. I've seen managers use the trick of endless committees to exercise a control they wouldn't have otherwise. It's a "leadership" trick that's as old as the hills.

Whenever you're fixing something, stay focussed. (I've been hired into a few corporate troubleshooter positions) Pick one or two, no more than that, goals and work on figuring out those problems. (You do not need targets in your situation.) There's a temptation to put "this" in as part of a goal, or make "that" part of the solution: resist it. The goals have to be strategic, not tactical. "Get Fulmer to listen to concerns" is tactical; "our Pastors seem to run amok" is strategic.

The people developing the problem definition should not be the ones with a stake in the outcome. For instance, when I troubleshoot staff, I have no stake in whether they keep their jobs or not. If they're not working out, they're fired, or forced out. (Harsh, but that's Wall St.) If I had a stake in maintaining the status quo (eg because keeping Mrs So-and-So on the committee ensures my own power), I'd do everything I can to retain present staff. So, make sure that any real examination of the fundamental problems is direct. It can be polite; there's no need for rudeness!

Someone could observe that "There's a lot of committees here. What do they do? Do we need all of them?" Some of them will be social boondoggles; some will be needed. You have to figure out how to measure the worth of a committee, while ensuring that you're not implicating the worth of the members of the committee.

Troubleshooting an organization is difficult. It's painful; it's also the only way some organizations can survive. I don't know the church, but it's an organization. Don't forget that while the Church has divine intentions, it's made of human ambitions.

Carolyn Ann

PS I'm not suggesting that you even read my suggestion; it's just the take of an atheist. I read "a church is an organization", you might read "church is not an organization" and disagree.

But sometimes, many times in fact, those in the middle of the woods can't see the path that gets them out of the forest.

You have to step back to see what's strategic and what's tactical.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Jack Maddox for speaking the truth! My wife and I have visited LRBapt Church several times over some months and were thinking about changing memberships to LRB.
Then this mess!!!
We attended last Sunday and heard the pastor say: (not a exact quote)If you don't agree with him, good bye. Who needs you!
Well, guess we are back to our own church. What a shame. LRB seemed to really be doing some good things.
Jack Maddox, you are right on with what you have said - thank you for having the courage to speak the truth.

Anonymous said...

I heard that the trial has been pushed back, does anyone have any info on this?

Anonymous said...

I hope that no one will give this site any infomation that would be true. If you belive any thing you read to be true then I wish you all the luck.

Anonymous said...

That doesn't even make sense. The Majority of the comments posted on this site are in response to published information regarding Mr. Miller. Again Mr. Miller was a party to a serious crime. LIVE IN THE NOW!

Anonymous said...

Dear blog readers that read this .Do not belive any thing this site says.you will better off not going any where this blog says to go . leave this site and don,t return for it may lead you other sites that are not true.

Anonymous said...

Let's see Blaine Miller Indicted for sexual assualt..TRUE. LakeRidge Baptist Church Withheld this information from the congregation...TRUE. Trial was tentatively scheduled for this month...TRUE. Shall I continue, some of us know more than you might think or more than you would like us to, and greater than 90% of the information is true on this blog. If the truth hurts, than maybe you should stop reading.

Anonymous said...

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything in this blog that's telling me to go anywhere else. Even if it were, I am capable of making a decision on whether or not to look at or believe that information. I don’t need someone who is obviously not only ignoring the truth but is propagating lies to tell me what to do. Not all of us on here are idiots who can't determine the difference between the truth and a lie.

Many of us here are members of LRBC and are concerned about the welfare of the church we love. I have gone to the pastor personally. I was told that by expressing my concerns I am allowing Satan to enter in and destroy what God is trying to do and that if I intended to pursue any course of action other than sitting back and letting things remain at status quo then I was welcome to leave. I have spoken to several church members who “just don’t want to rock the boat” or “don’t know what we can do to help the situation.” I just don’t understand this mentality. Every member has a voice and a vote in the decisions of this church. Merle Fulmer is a dictator only because WE ALLOW HIM TO BE. We are not “rocking the boat” by speaking out about his poor decisions and leadership. We are standing up for our church. Can one person force him out? No. If everyone who is concerned by this situation makes his/her voice heard, then something can be done. It only takes one person to make a motion. One to second it – and voila – then we can discuss this openly and in a Christian manner.

If I make the motion, will someone second it?

Mojoey said...

Dear blog readers that read this .Do not belive[sic] any thing this site says. This site does not say anything. . I have written one post on alleged pedophile Blaine Miller. Many other people have written posts about their experiences with Miller or Lakeridge Baptist Church. Your call for readers to not believe anything on this site is without merit. This site does in fact say many things of importance. I recommend readers be skeptical.
you will better off not going any where this blog says to go . I don’t even know what to say to this sentence. I tend to link to legitimate news sources. If you are suggesting these are inaccurate, show your proof.
leave this site and don,t return for it may lead you other sites that are not true. Again – commanding readers to leave and not return is well, immature and a little crazy. This post is visited between 40 and 75 times a day. I suggest readers use discretion and act skeptically, but continue to use the site for what I have offered it as – a place to work your issues without the need to identify yourselves.
Atheists have compassion (among many other qualities). I know your church is having a difficult time with this issue and that people are hurting. My only concern at this point is not interfering with your healing process.

Anonymous said...

Reading these posts, I must ask the following question--what percentage of the membership of LRBC still believes that the world is flat?

Anonymous said...

If Fulmer told them the world was flat I am sure the majority would believe him. VERY SCARY!

Anonymous said...

If you belive what mojoey says you should consider your self a fool. the world don,t care what you think .the world is flat if you think this site is anyway helping anyone. all this site is a trouble making site to put blaim on to people and churchs. you should just show up and stand up and tell everybody there a bunch of liers. so you belive this jerk mojoey ha ha ha get real people.

Anonymous said...

"If you belive what mojoey says you should consider your self a fool.” First, of all I wish you could write in complete sentences. I spend 30 minutes trying to figure out exactly what it is you are trying to say. Secondly, as I have said before most of the comments on this blog are NOT made by Mojoey, but rather they are made by fellow LakeRidge Members. Fulmer the dictator will not give those of us who do not want to accept the status quo a forum to discuss these issues, so we do it here.
“the world don,t care what you think” Again complete sentences please. The world and community does indeed care what we have to say. As has been stated before, Blaine Miller indicted for sexual assault…TRUE. LakeRidge Baptist Church Withheld this information from the congregation...TRUE. Trial was tentatively scheduled for this month...TRUE. Therefore since this is based on facts not hear say, the world and community do care.
“the world is flat if you think this site is anyway helping anyone. “ This site is helping the church and community, by offering the facts that Fulmer is unwilling to disclose. Just like the fact that the trial has been rescheduled. Fulmer is not going to disclose this, even though he promised the congregation that this would be resolved within the month.
“all this site is a trouble making site to put blaim on to people and churchs.” It seems to me that you are trying to shift the blame. If I were a betting man, I would say that you have a very close relationship to Blaine; you may even be his wife. This site is not causing trouble; rather it is offering a forum for the community and the church to respond to the facts.
“ you should just show up and stand up and tell everybody there a bunch of liers.” Oh, my friend the day is coming, Miller and Fulmer can only maintain the status quo for so long. There are a handful of people within the church that know some things that would turn this story on its ear. It is just a matter of time before those facts get out as well.
“so you belive this jerk mojoey ha ha ha get real people” as I have said before most of the comments on this blog are NOT made by Mojoey, but rather they are made by fellow LakeRidge Members. You’re the one who needs to get real…..WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY…UNTIL FULMER AND MILLER DO!

Anonymous said...

Well dont let that be a threat. Let those facts out now if you truly know them. Put up or shut up, so to speak To this point I have read a lot of threats and posturing but know one has had the cahoneys to do anything.

Anonymous said...

Complete sentences I am so proud. No threats here. The fact of the matter is the status quo can only be maintained for so long. There are those of us who have the plenty of “cahoneys” to do something about this, however since Fulmer stated that this would be resolved within the month many of us have been using the wait and see method. I assumed that Blaine would go to jail and the church could move on. But since the trial has been pushed back and Fulmer plans to withhold that information from the church, I see a motion on the horizon. IT’S TIME FOR FULMER AND MILLER TO GO!!!

Anonymous said...

I have been inspired by two comments on this blog. First, “If I make the motion, will someone second it?” Second, “Put up or shut up, so to speak To this point I have read a lot of threats and posturing but know one has had the cahoneys to do anything”. I feel stronger than ever, that it is time to move forward with a motion. So, in keeping with our anonimity on this blog this is how this needs to work. Before the AM worship service this Sunday, lets plan to meet by the flag pole. Identify yourself by wearing a red shirt, blouse, or tie. Once we have all congregated we will discuss what it entails to bring forth a motion, and the appropriate action we should take. I know that many of the folks that are upset by this may not keep up with this blog, so if you know of these folks, please pass this information along to them.
If I have any takers on this course of action, please respond with a blog entry saying “see you at the pole”.

Anonymous said...

If you go to that church why are you posting on this no count blog feeding the fire that you keep burning ? I won,t reveil my self for anything. so don,t bother meeting at a flagpole wearing red. I just ask you to stop posting on here and feeding the fool that made this blog.

Anonymous said...

this is Blaine's other right hand hand.I'm reading this in disbelief. the people plotting against the leadership of our church are a disgrace. you are what give churchs a bad name with your backstabbing tactics! if you dont have the nerve to say what you think in the correct setting( church meeting) than your just another chicken ass pansy, and you should leave the church!! anyone who wants to talk about this with me further knows where to find me every sunday!! jr

Anonymous said...

Jeremy Riddle what a fine Christian example you are setting for our teenagers by cussing and carrying on. You all are the ones that give churches a bad name by tolerating this kind of behavior. I would be concerned seeing your daughter is about the age of the accuser. You and your un-educated friend need to back off. This is our forum and our voice will be heard. If Fulmer would allow us the opportunity we would be more than happy to make this public in the correct setting. But instead we are told to leave if we do not agree with the pastor. Nice leadership we have…A Pedophile and a Dictator. AGAIN WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY UNTIL FULMER AND MILLER DO!!!!

Carolyn Ann said...

I'll second the motion for complete sentences...

And can the two "anonymous" individuals throwing names around: please understand you do nothing to further your argument.

Might I suggest that open rebellion is an option at this point? If Pastor Fulmer is preventing discussion, simply throw your own tea into bay, so to speak. It worked for the original patriots, and I don't think it's ever lost its appeal since.

America is founded on rebellion. I urge you to live by that emblem, and rebel against those that would have you silenced. And silent compliance, the last I checked, is quite an un-American trait.

Go for it. You have nothing to lose except your Pastor. :-)

Carolyn Ann

(With all the appropriate apologies, of course!)

Anonymous said...

I,am not leaveing anytime soon .I hate this site and I will do what I can to turn it upside down .mr miller is not guilty yet and I hope you mojoey and others he sue,s you for all the slander you have said.

Anonymous said...

My illiterate friend you have so much to learn. First these are responses and opinions to true facts based on published reports, so I believe that would be protected free speech. Further if this were anything it would be Libel not slander.

Carolyn Ann said...

I don't recall anyone saying he's guilty... The mere commenting on alleged wrong-doing is grist for the mill; in other words: it's entirely protected.

It's also perfectly acceptable conversation. And there's nothing in here that's slanderous, or libelous. Just because you don't like what others have written - people who say they are members of the church, no less - isn't that important.

But, and this is important, what has happened at this church has gone beyond any question of whether Miller is guilty or not. (That's for the jury to decide, anyway.) Where the conversation has gone now is to whether Fulmer's lack of honesty re Miller is affecting the reputation of the church (we've already had one person say they're not going to join the church based on his words), and what, if anything, to do about it.

I believe the conversation would be more productive if we all ignored your tirades, and concentrated on responding to those comments that actually say something.

Carolyn Ann

Mojoey said...

Anonymous hater - as in (I hate this site and I will do what I can to turn it upside down)

The ironic thing about your statement is that truth is the only valid defense for liable. In other words, unless I tell a lie, what I write here at Deep Thoughts could never be interpreted as libel. Since I great care to tell the truth, your statements are tantamount to calling in your big brother to punch me in the eye. That is to say, your comments are something I would expect a child to say.

For example, my opinion is that you are either uneducated, immature, or a child. My opinion is based on the fact that you cannot write, have trouble articulating complex ideas, and make logical and factual errors. My words cannot be considered libel (even if I don't like you) because they are based on facts and my analysis is what a reasonable person would conclude given the same facts. And finally, since you post anonymously, you would have no standing in court.

Anonymous said...

I don,t care about you mojoey or carlyn what I care about is this site needs to be shut down and I will take every thing I can to do just that. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I will seek and distory THIS SITE FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS NOT YOU.

Mojoey said...

um... ever hear of impotent rage?

Anonymous said...

RE: ANONOMYOUS HATER I am sure a person with your mental capacity would find it difficult to shut down a website. I think a good place for you to start is with learning proper spelling a grammar. I HAVE DETERMINED THAT YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANYMORE OF YOUR TIRADES. MY ONLY QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHY ARE YOU SO THREATENED BY THIS SITE? MY THOUGHTS ARE THIS PROBABLY EFFECTS YOUR FAMILY DIRECTLY, SO THERFORE YOU HAVE A HORSE IN THE RACE SO TO SPEAK. BEFORE YOU THREATEN TO “DESTROY” SOMETHING LEARN HOW TO SPELL IT!!!

Carolyn Ann said...

I agree to a moratorium on responding to the troll. (It left a note on my blog, too!)

I'm sure the members of the congregation have a fairly good idea of who this person is; maybe someone can talk to it?

For some reason I was thinking about this whole situation over a coffee. It strikes me that Pastor Fulmer might feel he has nowhere to "go"; bluster and a seemingly arrogant attitude seem to indicate that. Maybe he needs to understand that nothing is absolute? He can say "oops"; as long as it's heartfelt, he won't suffer for admitting an error.

He can garner much from JFK's admission of error; after he admitted that the Bay of Pigs was an astoundingly poorly devised and executed "invasion", his popularity went through the roof.

One of the things I learned as an engineer and manager is that we all screw up. I've pursued policies that, in retrospect, were about as illuminated as the deep dusk. I've also said things that even moments later I wondered why I said it. (Maybe it seemed like a good idea at the time?) We're human, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. :-)

I'm not sure if Pastor Fulmer realizes that he has a credibility problem; his congregation must be quite skeptical of his actions right now. The posts here (troll notwithstanding) seem to indicate that a rebellion is brewing within the ranks. I certainly see no reason to not rebel; it's not Pastor Fulmer's congregation. (I'm also guessing, based on a comment or two, that Pastor Fulmer isn't the (a?) founder of the church?)

One thing I learned as a kid (when Mom made me go to church!) is that vicars come and go; the congregation tends to stay the same. Unless the vicar is unpopular; I've seen that close churches.

While I have no desire to spread religion, I am aware that it is an important part of life for many. For that reason, and that reason alone, this whole situation needs to be addressed. Something went awry, and without "repair" (so to speak) it can damage the credibility of the congregation and the church.

I'm sure there's a lot of back-channel chat going on; hopefully it will lead to an amicable and reasonable "solution".

Good luck!

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

Call me what ever makes your day. I,am not threten by this site. I just like it because of what it contains.hate seeking out to point blam on people that have done nothing.I,am glad you two refuse to respond anymore .now if i can get every body else to quit responding thats the ticket.

Anonymous said...

My ignorant friend you have misunderstood. We plan to ignore you. But we will continue to post to this blog. I hope you and Grandpa and the rest of you family have a wonderful Sunday.

Carolyn Ann said...

The biggest problems Pastor Fulmer faces right now is his credibility, and regaining his parishioners trust.

While he may not realize it, his effectiveness within the larger community is being affected. I'd be surprised if the church didn't start withering in membership. It's not that the members won't go to church, it's that they vote with their feet when no other choice is available.

In not addressing the situation, he's lost trust. Even the congregants [sic] who sit firmly on the fence won't trust him quite so much. The larger community will be even less willing to give him the time of day. Any coordination with other religious institutions will be tainted with this distrust. And that's not a position for a Pastor to be in.

A friend of mine, Cristina, states in a comment on my blog what her evangelical church does: they conduct background checks, and have safeguards in place for anyone dealing with children and youth. Is it perfect? No; no system can ever be. But failing to make an effort to protect children is the worst offense an organization like the church can do.

If the church expects to gain new members, they need to address - publicly, at this point - how they're going to change. The church can't wait for Miller's verdict, either. Pro-active measures, publicly stated, and an admission of error, will bring more respect than having the public make demands for legislation to protect children in churches.

(Maybe the LRBC can become a leader in legislative efforts to provide legal protections to children? It would garner more than respect: admiration comes to those who tackle the difficult and painful issues. Especially if the realization that action is needed came from personal experience.)

It's a long road, but it depends on the congregation and Pastor can decide how hard or smooth the journey to reconciliation and/or recovery is.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

Look you two fools I don,t care what your little crying eyes have to say. you two will learn someday about your smart mouth ways.I don,t care if you ignoir me.that won,t stop me from doing anything. aho I,am so scared.you don,t no anything about nothing untill someone gives the info to you fools.I hope you mojoey and your crossdressing fool have a wounderfull time with your little site . your pedophile site will be your number one pain in the butt for you my friend.

Anonymous said...

What a Christian way to handle things Chris Burtch. I am sure your grandfather, the pastor, is very proud of your ranting and raving in such a(n) (il)literate manner. Grow up. And leave this conversation for the adults. Stop making idle threats, also. You sound like a lunatic.

Anonymous said...

I commend you for calling out this hater by name, because this seems to be the only thing that will shut them up. We have had to fight off Mike, Jeremy, and now Chris, and through this there has been one statement that Fulmer made that has stuck out in my mind, “Nothing in his Character would make me suspicious”. Well let’s see two out of the three individuals mentioned have very questionable character so therefore that should enough in itself to question Blaine’s character. Oh Yeah….I forgot the two people with the questionable character are part of Fulmer’s family. Therein lies the problem, Fulmer’s family is too involved in the church’s youth ministry. Therefore, I must agree with Carolyn Ann, in that Fulmer has a credibility problem and ultimately it is his character that must be questioned. Parents and the community should be very concerned by this seeing as there are various vacation Bible schools, camp’s, festival’s, etc. in which the people mentioned are very engaged, not to mention that the church operates a daycare. So where do we go from here? I believe that the media is our best friend in this situation, seeing that Fulmer ultimately has a responsibility to the larger community. Fulmer and Miller think they are sly and that they have put this on the back burner, but I hope the media holds them accountable.

Anonymous said...

I was out of town visiting my Mother yesterday, so I wasn't able to meet at the flagpole. Just curious since no one responded, was anyone wearing red? Not that it meant anything since I wasn't there, but I did.

I think it's sad that we are waiting for the media to do something. It's our job. I've never felt so helpless to affect change in my own church, but I don't know what else to do. Maybe Carolyn Ann is right. It's time to vote with our feet. Especially before my kids are old enough to be in the youth group.

One more comment to Mojoey and Carolyn Ann. Thank you. I think it's very sad that you are both professed athiests yet you display more self-restraint and respectfulness than some of the supposed Christians posting on this site.

For the rest of us, it should be a challenge. The way we are behaving as professed Christians, not just our pastor, but those of us who have posted hateful, mean-spirited comments here and who behave that way in our day to day life - we are the reason that people like Mojoey and Carolyn Ann will never be won over. I believe we will be held accountable.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 100% my friend. I will clarify my media comment a bit. Our church has people in the community that are faithful to attend the various events mentioned or have children in the daycare. Seeing as they are not members of the church, they are even more so in the dark. I am hoping that the media will stay on this story and hold Fulmer and Miller accountable to the community as well.

Anonymous said...

Oh, dear! I've just started reading this blog. To the two "right hand men" of Blaine...I really don't like your responses. I thought our youth were in good hands, but with those responses, I'm not so sure. Please check your spiritual condition before responding to anyone, anywhere. As the saying goes, "What's on the inside spills out when shaken."

Anonymous said...

See there you go blaming people that have nothing to do with it, when are you people in the church going to learn that you are feeding this blog and the two behind it. yes the blood will be on your hands for feeding this blog information. If you keep telling these people anything you just mite as well join them at destorying the church. do you know that your poster could be outside of the church that don,t go there anymore. pull some more straw from the hat.

Anonymous said...

If it removes Fulmer and Miller, let the ”blood” (Not a threat, just using a quote from the hater) be on my hands. The church would be better off without them, as their decisions and actions are what’s destroying the church.

Anonymous said...

You people are the foolish bunch that I have had to deal with. you refuse to learn that crossdressing and mojoey are you emeney. there not here to love you there here to slander the church you goto. what is it with you can,t you see that thay don,t care for you or anyone else in that church. I rest my case let the fools win . there will be no recouping after this . people will leave and never attend again. thats what you won,t so be it.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you’ve wised up and decided to concede. Sorry you see us as your “emeney”…or should it be enemy.

Anonymous said...

In response to Anonymous at 10:48 am: I’m going to ignore the obvious spelling and grammatical errors in your rant because they have already been pointed out many times and it obviously does no good. However, there are a few things that I would like to point out. Not necessarily to you, because you don’t listen, but to everyone else. It’s probably obvious stuff, but just in case… Quoted comments are in italics.

You people are the foolish bunch that I have had to deal with . You don’t have to deal with us. Unless you are one of the two parties we are disagreeing with. You choose to read and respond to this blog just as we do. You could close your browser and never read or respond to this blog again. YOUR CHOICE!! If you are one of those people directly involved, then yes, you do have to deal with us and that’s not going to change until you leave the church.

… you refuse to learn that crossdressing and mojoey are you emeney. . I disagree. They are not the enemy. Satan is the enemy. He was invited into our church through the very, very bad decision our pastor made and he has been allowed to stay because our pastor refuses to admit he made a mistake and right the wrong. As for Mojoey, I’ve only seen a couple of posts from him and a couple more from Carolyn Ann. Frankly, I agree with what they say. I see their input as being more helpful than yours and your cohorts. Mojoey has admittedly been hurt by a person or group of people who tried to sell religion as the road to heaven. (Sorry Mojoey, but I’m going to speculate a little here.) Given his passion on the subject of pastoral abuse, he was probably abused himself and when he realized he had been sold a total lie he turned his back on all aspects of Christianity. Although it breaks my heart because I believe there is a huge difference between Christianity and religion, I don’t blame him for his stance. I admire him for what he’s trying to do to help people to not go through what he did. And Carolyn Ann, despite all the hateful, bigotrous things said about him, he has offered the only real constructive advice to date on the issue. Just because these guys have different backgrounds and preferences than most of us doesn’t mean their opinions on the matter are any less important. I bet either one of them, if they were members of our church would stand up to the pastor in a heartbeat.

… there not here to love you there here to slander the church you goto. what is it with you can,t you see that thay don,t care for you or anyone else in that church. Nothing they have said is slander. If there has been any slander (actually libel, but whose counting?) it has been from you. These two have shown more love and compassion than you and many others posting here – and they don’t claim to be Christians.
…I rest my case let the fools win . there will be no recouping after this . people will leave and never attend again. thats what you won,t so be it. If people leave and never attend again, it will not be because of the content of this blog, it will because of the actions and poor judgment of the pastor and Blaine.

Sorry for making this so long, but I’ve been reading it for several days now and I finally had to put my two cents in.

Anonymous said...

Dear Brother Fulmer,

I am writing this directly to you because it is obvious after yesterday's tirade that you, or someone very close to you, is reading this blog. I would love the opportunity to come to you and express my concerns, but from what I hear from those who have, I would only be told that the Devil is trying to influence me. My thoughts are not influenced by the Devil regarding this matter. They are influenced by the fact that I am a mother who prays daily that God will protect my precious children from the evils that Satan has devised to destroy the innocent.

Did you ever stop to think, for even just a second, about what could have happened to our church once this information, that you so cleverly kept from us, came out? We have a preschool, a Mother's Day Out program, and an after-school care program at our church. Did you ever stop to think about how those mothers would feel knowing that we have a man who has been, not only accused, but indicted and scheduled for trial, on a charge involving sexual assault on a child? Blaine Miller would NOT be hired at any other school with this hanging over him. I am hard pressed to believe that any public school would hire him knowing he had been accused of such a crime, even if he is exhonerated. Nobody else would let him be around children at this point, and quite frankly, I can't believe that his attorney didn't advise him to steer clear of seeking a position with a church, much less one that involved minors.

What really pains me is that you didn't love us, as your congregation, enough to inform us about this before we voted on Blaine. I am sure that you KNEW that we would not have voted him in as youth pastor if we had been given all the facts. But you never even gave us the chance to hear his true testimony and go home and give prayerful thought to whether this was the man we wanted to lead our youth. Now that the truth has come out, you DEMAND that we follow your command or we are welcome to leave. You don't even care enough about us to keep us if we don't agree with everything that you do.

What are we to do? You tell us to come talk to you, but that is just so that you know who is against you. My family doesn't want to leave this church. We have very dear friends here. We are grounded here. But every Sunday it is the same old sermon about how YOU are the boss and if we don't agree with you, then get out. I can't tell you the last time I felt uplifted by being at LRBC on Sunday morning. Our church might be in a fight against the devil, but I feel like we are prisoners of war.

Since you are reading this blog, can you not see the damage that has been done to the spirit of the congregation? We have no choice but to post anonymously, here and on other blog sites, for fear of retribution. You are trying to kick us out of a church that we love. We don't want to leave. But this surely isn't what we want either. So what are we to do when we are obviously under your control? How can we heal our church when our own pastor doesn't care about anything but his own selfish needs. I remember that this isn't the first time you have foisted your choice for a youth director on us either.

My big question to you is how do you think you can effectively pastor a church who has no trust in you? It isn't a question of whether we think Blaine is guilty or not. Only he knows the truth at this time. And I am not sure that asking Blaine to leave at this juncture would change anything either. I am not even suggesting to you that you step down. But you have to admit, a mess has been made of things, and you helped make that mess by having Blaine cover up pertinent information.

One last thing, as we sit and wait on the outcome of Blaine's trial, you haven't even loved us enough to let us know as a whole that the trial has been pushed back. Do you love your church at all or are you in love with being in control? We need help and since you won't listen to anyone else then you are going to have to give it. I am personally surprised that the personnel committee used such poor judgement as well, but it is obvious that you instructed them how to act and they followed.

Anonymous said...

I am in agreement with absolutely everything you have said with one exception. It saddens my heart to say that I can no longer refer to Merle as "Brother" or "Pastor" because he has shown us that he is neither. I once trusted him with my life. Now I can barely stand to speak his name. I do love him as the Bible says I should, but I can no longer have fellowship with him. I can't sit and listen to his tirades another Sunday or read his plagerized e-mails another day. I am washing my hands of him and this church that he is responsible for leading. It saddens me to know that he will have to answer to God Almighty for the way he has dealt with this congregation.

Anonymous said...

It makes me very sad to see that a church member feels like a cover up or the loyalty for one man is more important to a pastor than the flock that he as been "called" to. Bro. Fulmer where is your passion? Reaching the unsaved in our community is obviously not a priority as you seem not to be concerned by the reputation of the church. If your passion for your own flock and your passion for the unsaved is gone why do you do what you do? I'm sorry but my Bible tells me that there is more to a pastor than just preaching. Don't get me wrong preaching the Word of God is very important but what about the verse that talks about the equipping of the saints? A pastor is to also be an encourager. By the way, in your sermons you used to say "I was not looking for a job when you hired me so if you don't like it just fire me!" I haven’t heard this statement lately. One other thought, since you believe that the only job of a pastor is to preach, have you ever considered going ahead and retiring and going into evangelism? Think about it, what a perfect fit you could preach every Sunday and you wouldn’t have to be engaged in the lives of the people in the congregation. No emotional attachment, no problems, no confrontation. You might give it some thought. Oh, and less stress.

Anonymous said...

who' s ready for the buisness meeting sunday? i think it's time to get off the blog and do something before it's too late! i know that we will have support if someone will just take the first step.. it may not fix all the problems but get us going in the right direction!!!!ps. i know on good authority that one of the forementioned names used on this blog was not that pearson.. i hope you know whom i speak of!

Anonymous said...

I so agree with the last two commentors. I don't want to leave the church either, but feel I would not be taken seriously if I said something,because of my gender,age & length of membership.I'm not so sure Blaine leaving at this point would be an answer,(he does need prayer & a church family)but he doesnt need to be working with the youth. I do believe we as a congregration need to look at the others working with our youth. I do believe Fulmer needs to leave. He has lied to us so many times, kept us in the dark about important things and threatened us with our leaving if we don't "obey" him. We are not stupid zombies. If he does that to us imagine what he says to the staff & committees he meets with. They probably feel even more lost than we as members,simply because they may know more but are being told what & what not to do or say. Their jobs depend on it. How Sad!I just pray that our personal committee or our deacons step up & do the right thing-FIRE FULMER. We just need to have a written vote,that way no one knows who voted how and those of us who wish to stay anonymous can.I hate this for all of us involved, but, all I feel I can do is pray that God's will be done in this situation, I also pray it happens soon.

Anonymous said...

What the last two people have said is not a bad idea but once again it is hard to find someone with the courage to be the one to stand up and demand that something be done. Where do we begin? How do we go about making a motion or what ever we need to do to get the ball rolling without Bro. Fulmer and Blaine’s sidekicks escorting us out the door when we stand up in the business meeting and demand resolution? When I say demand I don’t mean that it be done in an uncivil way. THIS IS NOT JUST BRO.FULMER AND BLAINE MILLERS CHURCH! There are people here that have been here a lot longer than both of these individuals! I don’t know about anyone else out there but I take offense to leadership that does not consider the church body as a whole. What about the children? If there happened to be an incident that with one of the teens in our church, they would never in a million years come forward because they know that there own pastor would not listen to them because he refuses to even think that Bro. Blaine is even capable of making a mistake. I am tired of Blaine being the victim here!! What about that poor 14 year old girl and her family? Let us not forget to pray for that family as well!

Mojoey said...

I have a suggestion. I hesitate to submit it because I really do not want to mettle too much in your internal affairs. But I find myself deeply concerned about your churches well being. I have some experience with this kind of power struggle at a small church. An important power the congregation has is their tithe. When a local church in my community had trouble removing a controversial pastor, the church members withheld their tithing.

"Withholding" is not the best way to describe what happened. Church members set up an escrow account and contributed to this instead of directly to the church. The administrator paid some church bills, but would not fund payroll. After three months, the pastor left for another position because the church no longer had the funds to pay him.

Good luck.

Anonymous said...

I have finally decided to respond to this, as it seems that we are finally engaged in a dialogue that may finally be beneficial to resoling our church’s problems. I have a vested interest in the story as my daughter is part of the youth department. I was disturbed to read that the victim in the case was 14, I didn’t believe it at first, but I was able to verify this by through the following story: http://www.kbmt12.com/news/local/7098296.html. Watch the video is very interesting. Since it is apparent that the trial has been pushed back, and we have been lied to yet again, I started considering the fact that the youth may go to camp with out this resolved. I began looking at some of the documents on the Mt. Lebanon website and according to some of the documentation Blaine should not even be able to attend the camp without this case being resolved. Here is the link if you would like to check this out for yourself: http://www.mtlebanoncamp.com/Adult_Res_and_screening_form.pdf.

So I got to thinking and I had to ask my self this question. How responsible is it for our church to send a group to camp without this being resolved? I for one am not comfortable sending my daughter. Further, it seems to me that this would be a major liability for our church.

Anonymous said...

I verified with the Jasper County DA’s office that the trial has been pushed back. However, there has been no date set, because they are still waiting for the court to find an open date. In case you are wondering I am with a local media agency, I thought the folks from LakeRidge might want to have an update. More to come when information is available.

Jack Maddox said...

I have been and will continue to pray for your church, your pastor and Blaine and family. ALthough I am sure that the Mod means well, however the advise to withold your tithes is not only unwide but it is unbiblical. Remember, it is not your money, it is the Lord's. I also feel that plotting on this blog is not the wise course of action to take. Folks, if your curent situation is suc that you are afraid to stand up and confront an elder who is erring , then you no longer have a church, you have a abusive situation. I do not know that the removal of your pastor is the best outcome...in fact, I am in no position to even consider it. But surely he will visit with you, hear you out. Remember it was God who called him and it is God who can deal with him! Mnay times I have been on the other side of Gods displeasure with me...and so far He always wins! Pray for your pastor...lovingly confront him...love him in spite of the percieved wrong...andd at he end of the day, if need be, use your polity to make any necesary changes, however, I do not think it wise to plot and plan on this site. I agree that it seems this has not been handled well, in fact perhaps handled in a way which warrents discipline, but we are all folks who serve at the pleasure of our wonderful Lord and simply by His grace. Again, if you can not openly, with a witness, confront an elder at first privatly and then openly before the congregation without fear of "being escorted out' then you are no longer serving in a new testament church, but rather a spiritualy abusive situation in which you do have absolute control...you should find a new testament church in your community where you can serve the Lord, love your pastor, trust your staff and direct folks to the loving savior who extends pardon and mercy to those who call upon His name.

Jack Maddx
Pastor, FBC Dean

Anonymous said...

I have been following this post for several days and what's happening here is both infuriating and heart breaking. This is not what being a church member should be like. I'm a member of a BMA Church so I know how most BMA churches are governed. I also know how hard it is to accomplish anything when you have a pastor who thinks this is HIS church. It's not Merle Fulmer's church; it's God's Church.

My question is where are the deacons, trustees and personnel committee? I don’t believe these people should “run the church” as they do in many churches, but they should provide checks and balances for situations like this. When a pastor begins behaving in a way that is unbecoming of a pastor or falls into immorality or sin, it is their job to correct the situation. Unfortunately, many times that pastor and/or staff member has to be removed. I’ve known Merle Fulmer for years. I am shocked and saddened that he is behaving this way, but in conversations that I have had with him, I know it is true. I have warned him as a brother in Christ that he is playing with fire and likely to get burned, but he would not listen to me. Pastors are human and even the most respectable of them fall into sin.

What needs to happen here is that the deacons, trustees or personnel committee need to go to Pastor Fulmer with a plan to remedy the situation. I understand that some of these men may be too close to Bro. Fulmer to make that move, so if they refuse to do so then it is up to the church members to bring it up in the business meeting. Don’t be afraid because of your age, gender, or length of membership. If you are a member of this church, you have a right to speak in an open business meeting. Don’t let anyone intimidate you. You cannot be forced to leave. The pastor does not have that kind of power. Remember, you are not doing this to be a troublemaker. You are trying to do what is best for this church and ultimately for the Kingdom of God. What is happening here is harming the reputation of churches and Christians everywhere.

Anonymous said...

Pastor Maddox, I would like to start by saying that I have the utmost respect for you. I have found your posts pouring with wisdom. But this is what I don’t understand. Why should I have to leave the church I love, because of the poor decisions that are being made? I like many others have personally spoken to the pastor about this matter and all we get is the “If you don’t agree…leave” tirade. What is wrong with standing up for the church that we have given our tithes, talents, and time to for so many years? Why can’t we can’t we defend the integrity of our church and its people? I honestly feel as though pastor Fulmer doesn’t care about his congregation in this situation. I agree that this site should not be used to plot, but what do we do when the leadership continually lies to us and rebukes anyone that is against what is going on?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Pastor Maddox about the harm of plotting on this site rather than dealing with things internally, but I also understand the need to express your frustration and speak about it without fear of reprimand. I know it’s possible that what’s happening here may be doing more harm than good.

However, for some the thought of leaving a church that they’ve been a member of for many years is unbearable. LRBC is home. It seems there should be another answer.

LakeRidge Baptist Church is a member of the BMA of Texas as well as the BMA of America. The BMAA has a department that is dedicated in part to helping churches struggling with issues such as this. It’s called the Department of Church Ministries.

I realize that Pastor Fulmer has recently denounced his support of the Plains Association, but just because he doesn’t support the association, doesn’t mean the church can’t partake of the resources there. Someone, anyone who is a concerned member of this church should call someone like Donny Parrish and ask for his help. If he can’t help, he can tell you who can. There have been other situations, sadly, more and more in the last couple of years, where church members have had to call someone in to help restore order in a similar situation. The number at DCM is 501-513-3726.

You are all in my prayers – Even Pastor Fulmer. He definitely needs our prayers!

Carolyn Ann said...

Stupid question time... Not being overly familiar with the workings of a church and all, etc.

- Why is the "exit" option the only one available? It shouldn't be.

I have to disagree with you on this, Pastor Maddox. Although I agree wholeheartedly that this is an abusive situation.

People invest a lot in their churches; an investment that is emotional as well as monetary. This makes the "exit" option something to be used with prudence.

Resignation is a weapon to be used from a position of rightness. It should not be used to further goals of a manipulative leader.

- I'm confused about the 'plotting' thing. Is it really inappropriate to consider courses of action on this blog? It's open (which is more than can be said of the church, considering the comments many have made), and it provides a level anonymity that is impossible with any other venue.

I'm not sure I'd call it "plotting", either. The biggest emotion I've picked up from this series of comments is the pain of being manipulated. Some suggestions have been made to start a discussion re what to do, but no actual 'plotting' has been going on.

I also object to 'plotting' on semantic grounds. It sounds like Guy Faulkes and his men, plotting to kill the King and destroy Parliament. Pastor Fulmer enjoys nothing of the power of a monarch, but apparently has no desire for the counsel of 'Parliament' (his congregation; I'm performing an almost painful linguistic stretch, sorry!).

- In my (arguably extensive) experience with power-plays, they always boil down to one thing: power. Money frequently enters the equation, but mostly they're about power over others. This whole sad situation is a power-play. There's no other phrase for it. I don't think it started that way, but it's certainly become one.

- The poster who questions the legality of sending the youth with Miller to that camp is quite correct. As I've pointed out before, sex crimes have a different basis of privacy; they also carry with them a different standard of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

This is not a semantic point, but one that has held up. Especially with accused pedophiles, the need to protect children comes before the accused's privacy. It's unfortunate for the accused, but it's one that has practical purpose: protection of children and youths.

Personally, I'd not send my children to a camp with an accused pedophile. I know the damage they do; it's simply not worth the risk. If he's innocent, fine. If he's not, how can you justify the risk you take with your child? Well, the risk you force your child to take. Again, if he's innocent, all will be well: next year. Sort of.

I think Mojoey's tithing idea is quite reasonable, but there are steps that should be taken first. The principle one being to garner support for it in the first place. ('scuse the grammar!) This will, necessarily, provide the basis for challenging the Pastor's stance before such drastic action becomes required.

It's a sad mess, indeed. At this point, I'd say that the needs of the people come before the perceived needs of your God. After all, without addressing the right of the congregation to an open and honest church leadership, it becomes impossible to tell if the leaders have divine interest at heart, or their own. A church should be a haven, not a political battleground.

Again, good luck. And if any of this is inappropriate, well I can't really apologize. Hard questions need to asked, and a hard stance needs to be taken. The congregation has been misled, lied to and finally abused. The trust they should have in Fulmer can't be realized in those circumstances. The trust anyone had for Miller should be suspended for the outcome of his trial; maybe he did make a stupid mistake?

The main point is that if you think this is a religious issue, nothing will be done. I'm sorry, Pastor Maddox, I have to disagree with you. In my experience power-plays and political battles of wills and wits are always secular. Religious sentiment becomes abused in the name of power.

Good luck
Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

I am a fairly new member of LRBC and I just found out about this situation. The person who told me was concerned because I have a daughter in the youth group and thought I should know what was going on. I was very upset that I had not been told about this. My daughter has already been sexually abused once and I would have NEVER knowingly put her in a situaton where it could happen again.

I went to Bro. Fulmer when I got word of this situation because I wanted to hear what he had to say about it and I wanted some assurance that my daughter would be safe at youth activities. After all, when I joined the church he said his door was always open. He told me that by discussing the situation I am just as bad as those who are trying to destroy the church. I didn’t know anyone was. He said I should be ashamed of myself because I am allowing the devil to use me. He said a scripture to me. Told me to go home and look it up.

Titus 1:7-11 “Since an overseer [pastor] is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

He said he is the one encouraging others by sound doctrine (you know how he says his job is to preach) and refuting those who oppose it (him). He said that those that oppose the leadership of the church are the rebellious people who must be silenced because they are ruining the church.
I’m not trying to ruin the church, I just want a place where my daughter is safe.
At first I felt really bad because I talked a lot about this to the person who told me and I was very angry that this situation was allowed to exist. Now, as I read this post and read that scripture again, I am beginning to think he has it wrong. I’m a fairly new Christian and I have been so thankful for LRBC, but now I am very upset and confused.
What kind of church have I joined where a pastor who is abusing his power is allowed to stay? Is this true of all churches? I don’t want my daughter put in a situation where she will have to be afraid. Her innocence was already robbed from her. I thought she would be safe in a church of all places, but I guess I was wrong.

Anonymous said...

All churches are not like this. Many churches that I have been a part of have safe guards in place to prevent these sorts of decisions from being made. I will tell you that even though LRBC is considered a BMA church they operate very much as an independent church. In many independent churches you will find that the pastor has too much power. I know brother Fulmer well, and he is absolutely abusing his position. I will tell you that I know well of this situation and the workers involved in LRBC’s youth group, and there is a cause for concern. Even the information that is out there is just a small tidbit of the actual story.

Anonymous said...

I really don’t see how Fulmer can send someone away with Titus 1:7-11, as the overseer must be above reproach. It seems to me that through the lies and the cover-up, etc. Fulmer has brought reproach upon the church.

Anonymous said...

I have found another liability for our church. If I read the State of Texas Daycare Operating Guidelines, it is a violation for Blaine to be in the building during the hours of operation of the daycare, since an indictment has been handed down for a sex crime against a child. The State of Texas must approve his presence in the building. Countless times when I have been in the building I have witnessed him mingling with the children. I have also witnessed him driving the church bus. Has the church received this approval from the state? Why does our leadership put our church at such risk?

Carolyn Ann said...

I find a lot of this very alarming. Especially the poster with the already-abused daughter. Is it too much to ask that his wishes be respected?

Insofar as the State of Texas is concerned: I'm not sure how long it will be before someone tells the AG. I'd be inclined, to be honest, but it would be hearsay from me. Will someone there step up to the plate and tell the AG?

If you think it won't be discovered, you're very much mistaken. Until that post, you could (with dubious legitimacy) claim ignorance. Now you can't. Be 110% above board, force the church leadership to be so, as well. If I were a news reporter, this latest little tidbit would have me salivating.

Which is more important: the safety of your children, or some paychecks?

Harsh, I know. And it's meant to be. I see a lot of teeth being gnashed, and not a lot of action. Maybe I'm wrong: I'm not there. I've worked with bullies, and there's nothing pleasant about it. Someone there needs to say "I'm not accepting this anymore!" It's not Fulmer's church, and he's certainly abusing that Titius passage.

Stand up to the man. Confront him. Make sure the AG knows what's going on re Miller. It's time.

Standing up for what you think is right can be difficult. But sitting by while it plays out is not even lazy; it's negligent and uncaring. Societies and groups, and congregations, only grow with effort. They stagnate, wither and die when everyone waits for someone else to "do something". Challenge the abusive leadership, otherwise the church so many of you have worked hard for, and paid parts of your salary into will surely die. It'll keep going, but no one will join a church that lacks credibility. No one will respect a church that breaks sensible laws. No one will give you credibility unless you're out in front of the child-abuse problem.

At this point you're not sailing around the problem, you're not letting is pass on by. It's carrying you along, and you hav eno idea where it's taking you. But you can still steer for calmer waters (so to speak) if you act.

Be leaders. Be proud. Do something.

Carolyn Ann

PS Apologies for the allegory; I tend to write first, and then think. I rarely edit my thoughts, and I didn't here. I thought the analogy apt.

Anonymous said...

Here is the actual statues from the State of Texas Minimum Standard Rules for Child-Care Centers.

§745.699. What should I do if a person in my child-care operation is
currently the subject of a criminal investigation?
Effective March 1, 2002
You must report the investigation to us once there is a criminal indictment for a felony or
a criminal information for a misdemeanor.

§745.701. May a person charged with a crime be present in an operation
while children are in care?
Effective March 1, 2002
We determine on a case-by-case basis whether someone charged with a crime may be
present in an operation while children are in care. The person may not be present if a
conviction for the charged offense would prohibit him from being at the operation
pending the outcome of a risk evaluation, or if we determine that he poses an immediate
threat to the health or safety of children.

Anonymous said...

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but because of the limited hours of operation of First Steps and the after school program, it doesn't fall under the state licensing requirements. It should, but it doesn't. That may have changed since there have been recent law changes.

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe what I just read. A concerned mother whose daughter was a victim of sexual assault went to you, Bro Fulmer, and you told her that she should be ashamed of herself? This is an outrage. The wounds of sexual assault NEVER heal...they may scab over...but they never heal.

What is it with you? If one of your daughters had come to you and told you that they had been abused by a trusted member of the church would you side with the pastor? Your response to that woman was heartless and arrogant. You think that woman is influenced by the devil because she wants to protect her precious daughter from a repeat of the abuse she has already suffered. That poor girl is probably reliving her trauma just knowing that she has been around someone who has been ACCUSED of something so horrible. But, I guess you will just tell her to leave too if she doesn't like it. She should know that there are plenty of churches in Lubbock who do a MUCH better job of hiring people into ministry positions. And there are churches with better youth programs than LRBC too.

Of course, Blaine isn't the only one who shouldn't be working with the youth now, is he?

Anonymous said...

Whoa ~ are you saying there are other people working with the youth with questionable pasts or just that our heartless arrogant pastor shouldn't be working with them? If there is more that we need to know it needs to come out now. I don't think I can stand much more of the secrets and lies.

Anonymous said...

Tell us who else don,t need to be working with the youth. someone with all the secrets give us a insite to what your keeping to your self.

Anonymous said...

FirstSteps is licensed as a daycare by the State of Texas. As they are open five days per-week, with extended hours You can read their report on the DFPS website. Just Google DFPS State of Texas.

Anonymous said...

If you have been engaged with the youth group for any amount of time it is obvious the folks that have questionable character. I won't name names here.

Anonymous said...

There is a small group within the church that knows more details concerning the alleged incident. I will have to leave it at that as far as this site goes.

Anonymous said...

sounds like to me that no one should be attending this place. If your paster is in question and the youth leader has a trial pending what a church. You think the state would come in and shut down the place.

Anonymous said...

I just looked at the site for the camp. If they do a yearly check on the adults they will find out about Blaine. But what really needs to happen is for Blaine to come forward to the camp. It would just be one more embarrassment for our church for him to be "found out" while he is there with the kids. I too have kid(s) that should be going & am now having second thoughts. It would totally devistate him/her not to go,but I may have to pull the "cuz I said so" line. This is also hard on the kids of our church. We've got to think about them as much or more so than our own personal feelings about how we've been deceived by these two. To the parent of the already molested child, my heart goes out to you. I am so ashamed at how Fulmer handled you. If he wants to quote scripture, he sure picked the wrong one for this situation. He has brought reproach upon our church. I've said that all along, both of them have. I feel quite sure Fulmer & his whole family read this blog(against his own demands not to)so I want to say to him,if you have one ounce of decency in those old bones please at least admit your mistake & wrong-doings, not only to us (the church) but the media also so we don't look so stupid anymore,or better yet be a man & step down.You will call me a coward for saying this here & not to your face but as we've all learned that will get you no where. For the most part I like your family & hate what this will do to them,but they too have to realize what a mess you've made of "our" & God's church--it's not yours,never has been & should never be.Back to the kids,please at least consider what this has done to them. They all looked up to Blaine & you as their pastor's & with the lies & deceiving,(you even told the kids we the parents knew about this before Blaine was hired,leaving them to believe WE would put our own kids in harms way)you have possibly ruined their faith in man-kind not to mention men of leadership in a church. I beg someone out there to have the nerve to open this up Sunday night,men of our church you've got to do something & stand behind each other

Anonymous said...

So you must be the only angel in the church is that right? you see all the people that you question and then talk about them here . wow then someone should question you. how sad it is to all those people going there and there childern.

Anonymous said...

I am not at all saying that I am the only angel in the church. I sin just like the next person. Nonetheless there needs to be a better screening procedure in place for those that are working with our youth. All I want is the best for our teens, and I don’t believe that LRBC is giving them its best. I am trying not to cast any stones here; but, I feel that it is every parent’s duty within the church to police the people that are dealing with their children. At other churches that I have been a part of there have been stringent security procedures in place for those dealing with children. I am sorry but none of those churches would have even allowed Blaine to work with children/youth as a lay person let alone be their youth pastor.

Anonymous said...

If anyone wishes to file a complaint with the State of Texas concerning Blaine Miller being in the LRBC facility during the hours of the daycare operation, they may do so by calling 1-800-252-5400. You may remain anonymous.

Anonymous said...

I am confused. This should be a concern for all children in this facility. I'm talking about the children in our daycare, not just the youth group. Why are the parents of kids in our childcare not enraged that they were not told about Blaine's accusations? Whether he is innocent or not is not the issue. He should not be around them until this is resolved! Are there any parents of daycare kids reading these blogs?

Anonymous said...

So we all are on the same page here you must be a exmenber of the church. I,am thinking that you know alot about the youth dept.so you go to another church close by.

Anonymous said...

I have a feeling that the issues brought up by parents to the staff are being brushed under the rug. Just as they are in the church. WE are not being told the whole story.

Anonymous said...

You are just assuming that the parents of the other children at the church (i.e. First Steps, Preschool, etc) have been told. I would be willing to bet that they have NOT been informed. If the preacher and the youth minister didn't want to tell the regular congregation, what makes you think they would tell the parents of children who aren't even members here? Remember, most of those kids do NOT attend LRBC on Sunday morning.

Has anyone heard if Blaine got out of the hospital yet?

Anonymous said...

Oh, I am not assuming, I know for a fact that the parents of daycare kids are NOT being told. It is very hush hush. The preacher is hoping that no one finds out and addresses only the ones that do.

Anonymous said...

gjgjgitg

Anonymous said...

Merle and Blaine,

Please resign from your positions. Have you no decency?

Anonymous said...

Well if the bloger would stand up in frount of the church and tell them what thay think and not be a coward things mite change.If your so worried about this then do something now don,t be a coward and sweep it under the rug. If you can,t do something then quit whineing about it. some people know who you are that post on here right rox.

Anonymous said...

gjgjgitg
????????

I'm confused. Should I know what this means or is this just a test to see if I know a secret code that was only given out to members?

Anonymous said...

yes, it is a secret code, but they only give it to you after you handle your first rattlesnake or bite the head off a chicken!

Carolyn Ann said...

Alice Cooper, where fore art thou? :-)

Here's a thought I placed on my own blog:
"If Pastor Fulmer can play fast and loose with pertinent facts, how can a parent teach "little Timmy" that dishonesty is bad? They can't, basically. This undermining of parental authority is quite egregious, and not something that anyone should be ignoring"

I was writing about honesty, and I thought this should be added to the discussion here.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

I think that this is totally and completely insane that there are so many people who are cowards. Exactly what do you think our Father is thinking? This is not a church, it's a lynching mob. Although I agree that Fulmer and Miller should have been outright honest about the whole situation, you are literally causing an entire family so much grief and heartache. What is wrong with all of you? I am a christian, I believe that Christ died for our sins. I believe firmly, that this behavior is unacceptable as a christian family. Whether or not Blaine did what was accused, is that any reason to hate the man? Is it fair to cast such hard thoughts and feelings his way? I agree that he should not have accepted the postion, but it would have been to save himself such hypocritic statements. At one time, did you not all think that Blaine was an upstanding man of God? I know Blaine from an arms length away, but he struck me as passionate about Christ. The man is going through such a horrific time in his life, show support and love to him and his family. He has a wife and children, think about the things that you are saying. That is someone that they love and would do anything for. I ashamed to think that other christians are behaving in such manners. No wonder those that don't know the Lord are reluctant to know Him. If I were them, I would be asking myself if their God was this judgemental and hypocritical.

Anonymous said...

Honestly, let's forget about Blaine for just one minute. Let's talk about the unethical way that most of the staff up there are. Fulmer,Castner,Harkins,the secretary are all Hypocritical. They run that daycare like an ironfist. Castner doesn't have any business being in charge either. She has been overheard talking about visitors that don't meet her standard or criteria for church members. She's harsh, judgemental and quite frankly a vendictive person. Harkins will do anything to please people. She and Castner blame each other for the decicions that are most dishonest and unethical. Fulmer does rule that church with an iron fist, how sad that a pastor is doing more damage. The pastor is to be humble and a servants to others, not have servants under him. They have no business having a daycare there at the church, not due to Blaine, but the fact that they have teachers up there that are harsh, abusive and uncaring. That is an even greater unjustice to the church. It's not a christian enviorment, it's a gossip mill. Seems to me that it's unethical that they have been dishonest to the parents. The church might want to look into the fact that the daycare, although they have some really awesome teachers that sincerely care about the children, is a problem as well.

Anonymous said...

So you like nameing people now ok. roxanne curl you have gaul to talk about people and what thay say you think southcrest is going to be any better. I think your pretty questionble.

Anonymous said...

so who in the world is roxanne curl? Guess we are not the only ones who feel this way. That makes me feel a whole lot better!

Anonymous said...

I am sitting here reading these blogs and all I can say is this. Bottom line, it is not about Blaine being innocent, I think we all think that he is, it is about the fact that he should never have been placed as youth minister and Fulmer should have never hired him. Furthermore, Fulmer never should have hid the truth from all parents, youth memebers as well as daycare members! That needs to be the focus, the welfare of the children. No one seems to be addressing this issue. As a parent, I believe Blaine, but the question still remains: Do You Take The Chance?

Anonymous said...

I don't know who roxanne is, but that is assuredly not my given name. Actually, this is a concerned parent that has a child there, and know for a fact that the teachers were told to lie to us parents about the situation.Really, and I'm sorry that you have to wrongly accuse some other person for the truth that I wrote. If Roxanne reads these, I'm so sorry that you are having to read these and get accused. To the person who blogged me back, how nice that you are related to the Baptist Nazi.

Anonymous said...

Who is the person who named Roxanne? A) She doesn't go to LRBC B) She doesn't even live in Lubbock anymore C) She probably doesn't even know how to use a computer!

As for taking pot shots at other staff members, if the way people run the church activities bothers you that much, grow up and bring it up in a business meeting.

Anonymous said...

From what I understand, only members can address in a meeting. I am a concerned parent at the daycare and therefore, my opinion does not matter.You don't have to be a member to know that if you don't agree, you will reprimanded.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to say this,what would the reaction be if parents from the Daycare be if they stood up and questioned the churches' judgement? Would they be asked to leave with their kids? I would think that it would be prudent to listen to their concerns, because after all, their money is allowing that daycare to operate.

Anonymous said...

If you anything to say.you need to speek up in the meeting .don,t stew about it anymore.

Anonymous said...

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Carolyn Ann said...

Constructive comments like that will get everyone, well, nowhere.

I can't believe that someone's faith overrides legitimate concerns about child safety. Not to mention liability for the church.

If anything happens, there's a good chance - better than even, actually, it's probably certain - that your insurance carrier will declaim any liability.

And beyond that: do the children not matter to you?!?

I'd say you're being perfectly cruel and absolutely heartless. Parents have an absolute right to know their children are safe. But that isn't quite so important to Pastor Fulmer, or Miller or you.

Please leave the discussion to those who have concerns and not dimly conceived verbiage. Stop being a bully.

Carolyn Ann

Anonymous said...

I just want to say that I am a teacher at the preschool and I am neither "harsh" nor “abusive” or what ever that blogger called me and my coworkers. Let me just say that your perception is sooo distorted!! You are someone that does not know me or my coworkers. This is very much a ministry to me and I very much love the children that the parents have entrusted me with. I have never been instructed to lie to anyone, and if I ever was I would resign without question!! Anyone that makes first steps out to be anything but a loving ministry, reaching out to children and families is sadly misinformed! I am sure that it is possible that it could be just a job to some, but for the most part this is not the case. If anyone has any doubt about the kind of care that is given, they should take the time to stop in and see for their selves that we have nothing to hide and everything to be proud of. About the gossip, as we all found out this week it is not tolerated and grounds for dismissal!! As for Heather and Barbra, I have never seen two people with a bigger heart for children and for God. Whoever is making judgments about them must not know them very well at all!! I have the utmost respect for them both, and consider them my friends as well as coworkers!

Anonymous said...

To the one that just blogged that says they are a teacher, guess what I also am a teacher, I'm not harsh or abusive either. I have always loved workintg here because there are very compassionate teachers teaching my children. I don't think they were classifying all teachers, but there is a concern that some of those up there certainly exhibit those characteristics. That never would have happened if someone had had the decency to tell the truth about the one fired. Omitting facts is the same as lying. Check out your facts. Two of the teachers there are harsh and abusive. Ask other teachers, they've all heard it. As well as parents. Hint, you can't yank, spank, yell or slam children around daycares. That dearheart is abuse. All of this started because the heads of this congregation deemed it okay to be deceitful. Seems to me, that the church members are being told to leave if they do not agree with Fulmer and now, teachers and parents are being told to leave if they even ask questions. WE are just concerned about the kids.

Anonymous said...

As a Christian I am truly disappointed in Bro. Fulmeras well as the rest of the church staff. They have caused pain on their church family as well as the Miller family for not asking Blaine Miller to step down until this was resolved. I do hope and pray that the church family can recover from this. I do not see how a church with this conflict can continue.

Anonymous said...

gigigigigigigigigigigigigi

Anonymous said...

This Sunday night before the business meeting, let’s all meet at the flag pole. This time let’s all wear red and black. We will then run around the outside of the building five times chanting “gigigigigigigigigigigigigi” and “Heil Fulmer”. Then and only then will we be truly prepared to state our case!

Anonymous said...

I realize that this blog is open to anyone who wants to post here. But nonsense like this gets nothing accomplished. It is annoying and childish and shows the mentality of the people involved. No wonder you post anonymously. If I was as big of an idiot as you two, I wouldn't want anyone to know who I was either.

Someone did make a valid point earlier though. If you can't (or should I say won't), do anything about your situation, griping about it does no good either. You just make yourself miserable. Your church seems to be stuck in a lose/lose situation. It doesn't seem fair that you should have to leave a church that you love just because your preacher puts his own wants above the well-being of the church, but it might be the only option that you have if you are unwilling to take action.

Anonymous said...

I guess you didn’t catch the sarcasm!!! This blog is accomplishing nothing, and that was my point. You have people posting garbage like, “gigigigigigigigigigigigigi” and at this point the blog has turned into more of a soap opera than anything else. People keep talking, but there is no action behind it. If people are so offended by this situation, but unwilling to do anything about, than I guess they get what they deserve!!!

Anonymous said...

Amen to that!!!

Anonymous said...

This is a sinking ship and there will be little surivers left.head for high ground.

Carolyn Ann said...

Personally, I think this particular vessel is floating exceptionally well.

Go enjoy the discussion rooms; they have a lot more room in them than the lifeboats. :-)

Carolyn Ann

Mojoey said...

This is a sinking ship and there will be little surivers[sic.] left.head for high ground.

I don't understand. Are you saying only little people will be left when this business runs it course?

Idiot.

Mojoey said...

I've read every post on this thread. I think some of you may be missing the point.

Your church is at risk. There are really only two things you can do, neither are good for your church. Vote Fulmer out of office and reach a settlement with the victim(s).

or

Let Fulmer stay and watch your Church and its property be liquidated to pay the inevitable damages which will follow in the civil suits.

This is really not about Fulmer - it is about your church surviving. If you think allowing Miller to continue to access children is wise, then you are being foolish. The state will hold the leadership accountable. Your church will lose.

I do not know the laws in Texas as well as I do those in California. In California, not only would the church be at risk, but its leadership could bear personal liability. The victim can (and often does) liquidate the holdings of the church and its leadership.

Think about it.

Anonymous said...

I honestly can't believe the bickering going on here. We should not be attacking each other,or Miller or Fulmer for that matter. We should be praying for the guts to do something about the misguidence the church has been dealt. We don't even need to be attacking the day care,I was in there just this week, and all I saw was children sleeping peacefully,while others were saying the blessing before their lunch. There are always the exception to the rule now matter what the situation is but the general rule I see anytime I go in the church during the day is loving & peaceful. I am close friends with 2 who work there & I can assure you if something was wrong they'd be gone. They have thier own childern there. So lets get back on track with this blog & work together as much as possible when it's done anonymously. The fact of the matter is our church is at a much bigger risk than we are ready to realize. From what I understand Miller should not be in the building & will probably not be going to camp. I'm not sure if this is his decision or someone else's but rumor has it he may not be going. Now the sad part of that is the kids really seem to like him & he's a big part of thier lives,for him not to go will be hard for some of them. I think it's a smart move on someone's part for him not to go for his own safety. What if someone there has gotten wind of this & makes a big scene about it & the whole youth group is asked to leave. I'm not sure the kids can handle an "issue" like that 2 yrs in a row.Please people of LRBC stop the bickering & lets do something about the things we don't like. It's suppose to be "our" church,lets take it back. Now, I'm not saying Miller needs to be asked to leave the church, he needs his church family more than ever now,but he should have to answer as to why he excepted the position in the first place & why he's stayed on. Fulmer too should have to answer several questions,why,why why has he lied to us & made us look like idiots to the rest of Lubbock & possibly soon the state of Texas. We look like idiots because we don't have the nerve to stand up to him & have let him make decisions for us that as adults & parents we should have been given all the information to make our own decisions. I saw it from another blogger--please men of LRBC speak up Sunday night & stand behind each other.
Now,Mojey I have a question for you,I went to the link titled "Another Sexual Predator posing....did I understand it right,Miller has "2" outstanding sexual accusations against him? If so thats more news to me & I feel certain many others. Please explain what I read. Thanks for giving us a place to voice our feelings & opinions. Oh yeah, the church has put an attorney on retainer so I'm sure they have some idea of the legal issues here for the church & it's staff.

Jack Maddox said...

The state of Texas dept of Health and Human Resources requires that every sponsor or worker staying over night in a Christian encampment undergo a background check and participate in a course of id'ing sexual abuse in a setting where children are present. I know because I teach the course every year to potential camp workers.

J

Mojoey said...

I must offer an apology - my entry on the post titled "Another Sexual predator posing as a pastor in Lubbock" contained an error. Blaine Miller has one outstanding allogation. I corrrected the entry.

Anonymous said...

Put a end to this deal and get moveing forward.please

Anonymous said...

Pastor Maddox, can you please clarify your statement? Do you believe that Miller should or should not go? I an not aware that anyone from LRBC attended such as course.

Jack Maddox said...

Whether Blaine should go or not was not my point. Starting last year the State of Texas through the dept of human health and recourses requires that all camp workers who stay overnight undergo a criminal background check and complete a course on Child sexual abuse. Whether Blaine's indictment would effect that check is unknown to me. If the camp that your church attends does not require the certificate that states your workers have completed the course then it is not obeying the law. The background check only asks if you cleared it or not. Again, my point was not to say whether Blaine should or should not go, but rather CAN HE GO? If he can pass the background check and the course then he is eligible to go according to the state...whether he goes from your church is a local church decision.

Jack Maddox

Anonymous said...

Yes our church knew about the new requirements and has provided this training and back ground clearance for all the sponsors that have gone to camp.

Anonymous said...

Those of you that have a proublum you had a chance to speak lastnight . now I don,t need to here anything from you about the church or blaine or fulmer.If you had any gutts you should have said so in the meeting.so if you keep saying things then it,s your own fault and no one else.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately the illiterate is correct. No one had the guts to stand up last night so we are still stuck in this situation.Fulmer almost apologized but not quite.He said mabe he could have handled things differently,but never admitted to any wrong doings. I will have to pray about it but I hope to find the courage to go speak to him myself. He made it very clear that his door is open,we'll see.

Anonymous said...

I’m not a member of LRBC and I don’t know the parties involved, but I’ve been following this blog and I was praying last night that God would be present in that meeting and that the problem would be resolved in a peaceful way. A situation like this can easily split a church and I don’t think anyone wants that here. I’m sorry it wasn’t totally resolved, but hopefully it will be soon.

Anonymous said...

funnie how quite evryone is today. What,s wrong? Cat gotyour tungue?

Anonymous said...

I just wish you knew the difference between a comma and an apostrophe. This has been driving me insane for weeks!!!

Anonymous said...

i'm glad that the bloggers finally quit hideing behind the internet and spoke their minds last night!!! oh wait, nobody said anything. imagine that, a group of backstabbing trouble makers get a chance to speak thier minds the RIGHT WAY and nobody says a damn thing! you all had your chance so now you all can shut the hell up and find something else to bitch about but never do anything about! have a nice day!

Anonymous said...

Wow, what a church!!! I look on this blog and what do I see. Potential Pedophile, Deceptive Leadership, members who are either blindly defensive or are cowardly offensive, rambling idiots, and cursing tyrants. Could this group of christians give their witness to the world wide web a more horrific image? What a shame!!

Anonymous said...

Yes we're all quiet today and last night. How could we say anything last night. 1st we were'nt given the chance & second how could we he made it perfectly clear he wouldnt listen to anything we had to say,just another example of his dictatorship. Rest assured I will go and talk to him & Blaine soon & then I won't do this anonymously anymore.Anonymous 3:37 is so right,what an example of Christianity we are. I try at least,but me like many others are scared of Fulmer & his cronies & last night was a perfect example of that(i'll explain later)but you-either Chris or Jeremy are such a sad example. Chris you work there & give the daycare the bad name it has been given with the ones who are cruel to the kids & yes I know this for true & Jeremy, you teach a Sunday school class. I certainly hope you set a better example at home with your own kids. Both of you just remember "your sins will find you out".I don't claim to be perfect by any means,people who know me know I don't lie or even sugar coat things for anyone or anything,but you 2 are living 2 lives-is that what Christ wants from us?Now,the perfect example of Fulmer & his cronies being dictators-there was some new business brought back up last night which will effect the whole church & one member did what would be right in any situation & wanted time to think & pray about it & he was promptly shut down.We've waited 3-4 months without someone in that position what would one more be, so we could be sure it was what God wanted for our church,oh I forgot its not about what God wants for us but what Fulmer wants. Don't you see he's just trying to cover his own butt by putting G.M. in that position. He PROMISED G.M. last month he would get the job & it did'nt fly with the congregation. G.M. quit is job & bought a new car in preparation for the positon,now he's without a job & a new car payment.Fulmer is only trying to cover his own behind. No he didnt bring it up in the meeting but who do you think created the position. I've never been to a church where the preacher complained so much about having soooooo much to do. If it's to much,then retire--for good!!!For you other bloggers,when I do go to Fulmer I will let you know,but I have to be ready to give up several friendships that I'm just not sure how I will handle.

Anonymous said...

this is neither of the formentioned people. i would hope that someone too scared to share their his/her name would stop throwing other names around without proof! i will share my name when you do. i know the 2 you people you named and they would be hurt knowing their names are being smeared for no reason! they are not the only 2 ticked off people in the churcdh!!

Carolyn Ann said...

I think some of you are being harder on others than you need to be. A little Christian empathy, forgiveness and support wouldn't go amiss...

Dictatorial leaders typically create an environment where criticism is not only difficult, but almost impossible. Some of them make George Orwell's "DoubleSpeak" positively child-like. I know, I've worked with one.

I suspect Pastor Fulmer has created such an atmosphere. The give-away was 4:18's comment about losing friends. Maybe he didn't do this deliberately, but the atmosphere has been created, and it has to be addressed as part of moving forward. (If it isn't, it'll fester and grow, and the church will die as a result).

If you're concerned about losing friends, don't be. Fair-weather friends are ornaments no one needs. I've had enough of them to know that; personally, I'd rather be the loneliest man around than have friends who impose conditions. I've always felt that way, but I saw a sentiment on a church on 34th St in Manhattan that made the thought "concrete". As I lived just down the street, I saw it for a long time, and realized that we really do have to stand up for what we believe, even if we're the only one standing.

Sometimes we just have to do something, no matter how much it sucks. If friends don't stick around afterwards, well, they really weren't friends in the first place. Friends should add value to our lives, not impose conditions in it.

Take this whole thing one step at a time. Don't expect, demand or require "miracle" from yourselves.

To be perfectly frank, the culture of the Baptist Church is to respect the Church Leaders. Recognizing this is essential to developing an understanding of how to go about addressing the problems. (Apologies for the inane passivity there; I couldn't think of an inoffensive way of putting it!) Just be aware that in this sort of situation you're not challenging a Pastor, you're asserting your rights and prerogatives as parents.

Ultimately it's all about standing up for your kids. The peripheral stuff about authority is just that: peripheral. (I've come to realize that. My initial thinking was different, but hey, we all screw up every so often!) Stand up for your kids, no matter how hard or distasteful it is, and you'll give your kids an irreplaceable gift. Standing up for what is right is a fundamental American trait. But no one ever promised it would be easy! Take heart: it's tough, but you'll sleep better.

Take it from one who's been through a "war" or two. Do what's right and the cost is irrelevant: it's a reward, not a cost.

Carolyn Ann

PS If any of that sounds odd, please understand that I write first, think later. :-)

PPS And if you want to know my sentiments about "friends", it's all there on my blog.

Holli said...

I cannot believe what I have been reading. Church members at "war" with each other over how this matter was handled, a pastor who has taken on a dictatorial role, supposed Christian members of this church using profanity and taking pot shots at staff members who don't have one thing to do with this debacle. I have never been, all at once, so ashamed to have my name on the membership roll and so glad that I am not there to witness this in person.

I can't figure out what bothers people the most. Is it that you feel that you were lied to about Blaine before he was voted in? Or are you mad because Bro Fulmer has become seemingly abusive in his response to your frustation? Or are you REALLY upset because you have a man who has not only been accused, but in fact stands to go to trial over an indictment for sexual assault? If the latter is the case, then it seems to me that you wouldn't still be sending your kids to youth group. If it is either of the first two, you are doing no good by posting anonymously here. If you feel that you can't stand up in a business meeting and speak your mind as members of the church, then you might be well served to find another place to worship. It seems to me that it would be in fact difficult to worship in an atmosphere where I felt I had to obey the preacher's commands at the risk of forfeiting what I thought was in the best interest of my family.

I could sit here and type my own thoughts about how I feel that this has been handled. I am sure that it would be met with many negative and un-Christian comments since my family no longer lives in Texas. But as far as I know, we are still technically members of LRBC since we have not moved our membership elsewhere.

Personally, I cannot believe that this is the same church I left. I guess a lot of things go on "behind the scenes" that I wasn't privy to. I didn't know of Blaine's indictment, though I did know that he had been accused of a crime. I was disappointed on the night that it was put up for vote to bring him in on a temporary basis that he gave an inaccurate version of why he left his church in Kirbyville. (side note...although the pastor said the vote was unanimous, I did NOT vote for him for this reason). However, we tried to support Blaine because we were led to believe that this matter was behind him. My kids enjoyed Sunday nights in the youth group. And we were happy to be in a church where our kids wanted to be.

I cannot believe that this is how you treat one another. Perhaps it is easy to backstab because nobody knows who you are. I imagine that everyone is as friendly as can be on Sunday morning. You should really understand how your actions (as well as the actions of the pastor and Blaine) affect others.

For me, I have no faith in church anymore. Don't get me wrong. I still have faith in God, but I have a problem trying to find a new church. In fact, Chris and I argue about this quite a bit on Sunday mornings. My feeling is, if this is going on at a church where I felt at home, how am I supposed to trust anyone at a church I know nothing about? At this point, I don't care if I ever set foot in church again. But I can tell you this, I won't join ANY church without sitting down and having a really LONG talk with the pastor and the youth minister. Just for good measure, I think I will throw the children's minister in there as well. Chris and I have visited a couple of churches, and not all of them were even Baptist churches. BMA churches are totally out of the question for both of us. We want a church that will be led by a pastor that is spiritually, not selfishly, motivated.

I miss all of you so badly. But at the same time, I am glad that I am nowhere near Lubbock. I have a feeling that if we were still in Lubbock, we wouldn't still be at LRBC. If the general consensus is that if you don't agree with how things are being handled, then you should leave, perhaps in the next business meeting, you can vote to take the Blewett family off of your roll.

Anonymous said...

sounds good to me! you were nothing but a spoiled crybaby while you were here!

Carolyn Ann said...

What a mean, petty and small-minded comment that was. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Holli expressed what was clearly a heartfelt and anguished opinion, and you ridicule it like that. You have no decency, no right to call yourself a Christian.

You hide behind "anonymous" because it's easy, and because it's the cowardly thing to do. I reckon you dare not reveal yourself; to do so would be to reveal an honesty you clearly do not have.

Holli, I'm profoundly sorry this sorry excuse subjected you to that. You deserve an accolade for your words, not the small-minded insult that poster felt "brave" enough to enter.

Carolyn Ann

Jack Maddox said...

To quote a line from the Godfather III

"Just when I get away they pull me back in"

This comment is to anonymous and to Holly.

First of all to anonym who made the comment that Hollie and her family were crybaby’s. You sir or madam are a coward of the highest degree. You post without even showing your name and call people who have been hurt and feel betrayed and are struggling spiritually names...you are a spiritual baby my friend. I say this in the name of the Lord who you claim to follow and whom I serve...you are a shame and a sham for saying such things. SHAME ON YOU SIR OR MADAM! You ought to be ashamed but I fear that your heart is so sin encrusted that you may be to the point that you know longer feel shame. and by the way...I am no coward...and I do not hide behind anonymity. My name is Jack Maddox...I am a bondservant of the Lord Jesus Christ! I fear not man nor the devil and I certainly do not fear you and I would say to you that if you dare to confront me the number to my church is listed...or perhaps you may e mail me...or even more so than that, the Millers have my number...call me. I have spent my ministry sharing the love of Jesus Christ with a lost and dying world for 20 years and more and more I find that scripture is true when it tells us "that judgment begins in the house of God!" I would welcome the opportunity to pray with you, to council you and discus your problem with abusing people verbally on a blog when you obviously lack the Christian integrity to identify yourself. I never have cared for spiritual bullies yet I do know that they are not beyond the grace and forgiveness of Jesus Christ. I would love to share His story of grace and forgiveness with you. It sounds like you either need to hear it for the first time or you need to remember when you first did and recall your commitment to the Lord who died not only for you but the family you malign! Again, let me be clear…I am calling you out! I am publicly rebuking you in the name of the Lord Jesus to repent from your ungodly behavior. This goes also to those who claim membership in this church and use profane comments and vulgarities. STOP IT!!!! You are bad for business : )

Now to Hollie and her family. Hollie, God loves your family and He loves you. He also loves the church/ She is not perfect and we as pastors make grievous mistakes from time to time. Don't give up on church...it is a collection of God's people..warts and all! Christ loves the church and He gave Himself for her...but the church is not Christ. DO not loose the good memories you have of Gods people at LRBC. There are plenty of good church’s…Baptist and otherwise where God will begin the healing process in your life. Find one, join one and serve the Lord. He will use your experience to be a blessing to someone else.

and a final note...members of this church...quit posting your church business. I know you mean well but you must deal with this according to scripture and I fear you have strayed into gossip...maybe unintentionaly...but it has happened none the less. If you are going to post at least ID yourself. You need never fear the truth!

This is so very sad...so sad when ichabod is looming in the wings.

Jack Maddox
Pastor, FBC of Dean Texas
jrmaddox@wf.net

Holli said...

Thanks for coming to my defense Carolyn Ann and Pastor Jack. While I would never profess to be thick skinned, comments like that, made out of jealousy and insecurity, do NOT hurt my feelings. They are very easy to ignore.

I have one question for that poster though. Why post anonymously? I can understand why the majority of people are posting without their name. I can empathize with them, in that they may be afraid of being ridiculed publicly for stating their opinions. But why post anonymously to attack ME? What are you afraid that I am going to do? I don't live in Texas anymore, much less attend LRBC. Even if I did, those who know me know that I am a very non-confrontational person. I guess I can understand where your "spoiled" comment came from, but I am uncertain about the "crybaby" part. I am not one to speak up and rock the boat, though I have obviously rocked someone's world! It wasn't my intention. But I remember Pastor Fulmer once stating from the pulpit that if he said something to offend you, perhaps you needed to be offended. (it was election year and he was being "politically incorrect" about some candidate..:))

I would have much more respect for that comment if someone had the nerve to post their name. Feel free to email me when you grow a backbone. But that comment was petty and misplaced and I won't reduce myself to your level to discuss any issue, much less this one. Grow up.

Anonymous said...

You people inspire me so much to go to this church. how can someone won,t to go here after reading all this mess and trusting others.I have a very hard time with it and trust no one anymore.I can,t speak on how i feel because it,s sad.

Anonymous said...

How dare you attack the Blewitts. They were nice people and they are missed very much. I wish nothing but the best for them. You are a coward and shold be ashamed of yourself. I bet you wouldnt say that to there face if they were here!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes I would love to know who this person is thats thinks thay are so cute at attaking people.If you go to that church you have the guts to post the junk you say then your not a christian thats for shure. why do you attend? do you need a free hand out? what is it? we are tired of this stuff. speek up .

Anonymous said...

You know, there is a lot of debate about churches taking the word "Baptist" out of their name for various reasons. Alot of people get upset at the thought because the word "Baptist" is supposed to let the world know who we are and what we believe.

Unfortunately, bickering and arguing happens quite a bit in Baptist churches. We don't seem to be able to get along very well some times. However, what is happening at LRBC is dispicable. Forget what it's doing to the Miller's or the Fulmer's or anyone else's name who's being smeared here. (I won't even address the idiot who attacked Holli!) What is it doing to our God? You people are smearing HIS name.

I think LRBC would do well to consider another name change. Take the words Baptist and Church out of your name because you are not either!! You should be ashamed of yourselves because you are a most assuredly a shame to God!!

Anonymous said...

What did Holli ever do to you? She and her husband was nice to everyone. They were probably even nice to you and now you would post something so mean about her. Shame on you. I hope I do'nt know you. Your a disgrace.

Ignore them Holli.

Mojoey said...

Well... It's been a week with no word from Lubbock. A few people have emailed asking if I have stopped allowing commenting. The answer is no. Comments are open, but nobody has posted.

Of course, I am curious as to how thing are doing. If somebody feels inclined, many readers would appreciate an update.

I'll make a post each time I write a main page article about Blaine Miller. I plan on following his trial.

Anonymous said...

Have you disided not to post and be ugly any more? I would like to say how dispointed I,am in the people of this church and how thay behave. what a place of worship.

Anonymous said...

Great, we wait over a week for some news and all we get is more nonsense from the illiterate one.

Could someone not deprived of oxygen as a fetus please post and let us know of any developments?

Anonymous said...

Church split!

Anonymous said...

The persons with the power over the paster won,t let it happen.so every body has to suffer the out come of it all. what lies befor us is a long thought out deal. this could take it toll on everybody.

Anonymous said...

It seems that all is quiet and back to normal ever since the business meeting was a non-event. I find it sickening that Blaine is back to interacting with the kids in the daycare on a regular basis and he is about to take a group of teens to camp in a few weeks. I hope that someone alerts the news media in the camp area, as well as the communities that are sending their kids to camp. These people at least deserve the right to know seeing as LRBC is acting so irresponsibly concerning this situation.

Anonymous said...

Dear last poster, If you dislike the goings on at LRBC then why don,t you leave and not return. I find a person like you Irresponsibly sickening that you still go to church here and have the balls or guts to ack the way you do. I hope in time we all find out who you are.You need to go somewhere else. WE ARE TIRED OF YOU LEAVE NOW.

Anonymous said...

Still a fine Christian Example and an Illiterate I see. I guess some things will never change now will they.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous Poster who thinks that the previous poster is Irresponsibly Sickening.

How many people at LRBC are you related to in more than one way? I am guessing that your family tree doesn't fork.

Is he really taking kids to camp? I hope we don't have a repeat confession like we did last year. Our kids can't handle it.

Anonymous said...

I am also a member of the church and I am in the youth group of wich Blaine teaches and preaches. Quit saying mean things about him!!!!!! Mojoey, GET SOME GOD IN YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!! The Lord has a plan for everything and it is all happening for a reason but whoever is against Blaine, you are also against God!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I agree with the last person!!

Anonymous said...

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Mojoey said...

but whoever is against Blaine, you are also against God!!!!!!!"

I've heard those words before - from Jim Jones. I will never have blind faith in any man again - ever. Trust but verify.

I feel sorry for the lot of you. Blaine Miller stands accused of a vicious crime against a young girl. Yet you let him teach your children? Your community will judge you harshly, the courts will eat your small church alive if he even spits in the wrong direction. And you God - something tells me that if you were real Blaine Miller, not to mention the people who who were foolish enough to supported him, would already be enjoying life in hell.

And just to be clear - I have not said mean things about Blaine. I've said mean things about the members of this church who for some reason think it is ok to act as if Blaine is no danger to your children. Duty of care mandates that your churches management team act in the best interest of its children. The best thing you can do to protect both Blaine and your children, is to separate the two. Heck, most churches would suspend him with pay. It is a no brainer. But not you guys - nope, nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

If Blaine Miller is convicted, I will have some unkind things to say about him. On the other hand, The Press will eat your church alive. I've already been contacted by reporters just waiting to tell the story of the dumb church who knowingly hired a youth pastor with an open molestation charge. The stupidity of your church will only seem worse given the BGCT focus on protecting children from pedophile.

Get the picture - do I need to use smaller words? You are digging your own grave and are too dumb to realize it.

Anonymous said...

Wow it must be nice to be the perfect all knowing Mojoey! I hope I can be as perfect someday.

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