Saturday, July 12, 2008

insufficient assimilation

France has denied citizenship to muslim woman.

A French court has denied citizenship to a Muslim woman from Morocco, ruling that her practice of "radical" Islam is not compatible with French values.

The 32-year-old woman, known as Faiza M, has lived in France since 2000 with her husband - a French national - and their three French-born children.
Interesting. So failure to assimilate is grounds for denial of citizenship. It is not really a religious issue. Right? No wait. This is totally a religious issue. A burka wearing islamic fundamentalist has no place in a secular republic. That message is clear. I wonder if French Muslims hear it?

It looks like Faiza M is heading back to Morocco. That's not so bad. Is it?

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Db0 said...

I don't really know the full story or how "radical" she was acting so I can't comment on that.

However this is very delicate issue. With Islam there seems to be a very fine line that Goverments must step. They should be totally secular with regards to their practices (that is, don't step over each other to allow them to do their stuff) but also allow them the same freedoms as their other people living there.
The thing is that most goverments seem to be walking the line in the opposite way. They try to find ways to get rid of muslims (like this) but also attempt to play the "good multicultural" which allows the fundamentalist muslims to erode their society.

PS: One-time awareness link for blogspot users.

Mojoey said...

wow - this intense debate thing is amazing. Does it convert your old comments when you install it?

C. L. Hanson said...

One thing to keep in mind is that this isn't really a case of singling out one less-liked group. Anyone can be denied citizenship for failing to assimilate -- for example you have to demonstrate proficiency in speaking French regardless of your background and other credentials.

One can debate whether this is good or bad, etc., but their position on immigrants is clear: you're required to demonstrate that you're serious not only about being a productive member of society but also about being French.

Db0 said...

wow - this intense debate thing is amazing. Does it convert your old comments when you install it?

It can import all your comments yes :) When you install it, you have the choice of leaving the old comments as they are and having IDC only on new posts or you can import all your comments (they will stay with blogger too, in case you want to go back) and have everything with IDC.

Mojoey said...

db0 - I tried it on a test blog. it's very nice. I'm going to convert deep thoughts tonight.

Mojoey said...

well that did not work. I got double and triple comments.

Db0 said...

Mojoey, I'm not certain exactly what happened from your description so a normal support might help me and the devs figure it out.

Generally when you import comments, they go into moderation and you have to approve them. If you run the import procedure more than once, you'll get dupes I guess.

Don't forget that you can also leave your old comments in place with the old system and have IDC only for the new posts.