Sunday, September 25, 2011

Conflating atheists with the unchurched

I’ve had lengthy conversations with two Christian friends recently on the question of atheists and people who do not go to church. I found that they confuse the two types of people and conflate roles and characteristics. In a conversation about prison ministry, they repeated the Christian canard that prisons are full of atheists. I countered with statistics showing that almost all inmates believed in god or professed a religion of some sort. My friends asserted that prisoners declare a  believe in God, but they are  atheists. Their reasoning was simple, if they were Christians, they would not be in prison. I usually get a headache at this point.

I explained that atheists are people who assert that there  are no gods. People who profess a believe in God are theists, but they may not be Christians because they do not subscribe to a specific Christian theology.  I refer to theists who fit in this category as the unchurched, a term I learned from a pastor. I think it fits. There are lots of unchurched and few atheists. What bothers me is that many lay Christians do not see it this way. They often refer to what I call the unchurched as atheists or event agnostics. It is maddening.

My only weapon is dialog. I repeat myself as often as I can. I tell the story every time the question comes up. I even ask that my friends re-tell the story. I think its important to clarify things so that it paints the proper characterization. I’m not looking for god. I’m not interested in going to church or in religion at all. I think I speak for my fellow atheists. We are not the droids you are looking for.

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Perhaps you should explain circular logic to them?
1 reply · active 709 weeks ago
Logic - that don't work so well.
Discussing religion with most Christians is like trying to have a discussion with a 4 year old child on the topic of is Santa Claus real?
Christian fact number 1. If it is negative, then it is not Christian...unless of course they are Christian, and did whatever for Christian reasons (hate the gay & sexist), then...just deny it. Awesome sauce,

Kriss
I had a group of christians approach me about their study group (multiple times, like more than 6) and it seemed to totally blow their mind that I wasn't interested in religion and mostly didn't think about it. Then they figured I must have been raised without religion and just needed them to motivate me, but no, I was raised as a Christian. I talked to them longer than I probably should have because I thought they were actually interested in me/my beliefs but they really just wanted a convert or new addition to their study group. I guess they call this "objectification."

Now that I think about it, I've never had a Christian be interested in my non-belief except when attempting to get me to join a Christian group. I get that they want to save my ETERNAL SOUL etc but they really should spend some nonjudgementally trying to figure out what atheists are about first. Then they wouldn't have the problems like the one Mojoey described here. It's like they can't even get past their own beliefs to figure out what/how other people think... but they still are willing to criticize me for not studying the the bible enough (when THEY approached ME).

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