Sunday, February 06, 2011

Was the Trinity added to the bible?

I was listening to a lecture called Misquoting Jesus by Dr. Bart. D. Ehrman when I heard the story of how The Trinity was added to the bible via the Latin manuscripts (in part 5) and that it had not existed in the known Greek manuscripts in any form. In the video below, the discussion starts at 9:10 and picks up with specifics about The Trinity at 10:40. The implication is that early Christians invented the concept and then added it the Christian body of knowledge via modifications to the Latin texts in order to protect doctrine.

The Trinity was one of the hardest things for me to grasp as a Christian and made even less sense after I became an atheist. I rarely argued the point though. How does one argue against a position that is irrational?
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BeamStalk · 744 weeks ago

The idea of a trinity was added much later to Christianity. The first thought was a comprise that made it more of a duality between God and Jesus. That was voted on in at Nicene convention as part of the Nicene Creed. Basically they compromised two groups by saying that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God, before that different groups believed different things about what Jesus was, some thought all man with no god and some thought all god with no man and basically all the colors in between.
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Matthew · 724 weeks ago

If you actually read the bible and make sense of it yourself instead of relying on hear say and what preachers are paid to preach, you might become a believer of God instead of a disbeliever of church and what they teach of the bible. If something doesn't make sense that someone tells you, then you should figure out the truth for youself, and use your own judgement for what makes sense. The way I look at it, there are too many coincidences, like plants and animals having to rely on each other for survival, if you take one out of the equation the other dies off, and the gravitational pull of the earth is so strong it keeps the moon in orbit, yet we can jump, not to mention the moon controls the tides. If this wasn't created by something, then it wouldn't make sense to me! Maybe this is just my way of making sense of something I can't explain, but I believe that if you read the bible and go by what it said in it's original writing, it would probably make sense to you.
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Mojoey 107p · 724 weeks ago

I actually feel dumber for reading your comment.
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Matthew · 724 weeks ago

Glad I could help you on your journey to stupidness, it seems like you are well on your way, good luck with it!
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matt · 691 weeks ago

lol. yes. that whole paragraph is a great example of "argument from ignorance". something x cannot be true because I cannot understand it. plants relying on animals isn't accident. The fact that all these crazy things had to happen......is explained when you look at the size of the universe. all the things we needed for life are seen other places, and when you have a trillion chances, at least one planet gets all you need for life to flourish. Life is a process, not a state.
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deleted8470268 143p · 724 weeks ago

The Bible is the dumbest most idiotic book ever written ! Until the Koran came along ! Way to one up the Christians ; Muslims ,but only in the bad sadder kind of way .
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Yusuf · 669 weeks ago

“About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mathew 27:46)__“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)__How can Jesus be forsaken when God does not forsake his faithful ones?? Now the Christians have four options to choose from.____1. The person put on the cross was not really Jesus.__2. Jesus (pbuh) was not faithful to God.__3. Jesus (pbuh) lied that God forsook him.__4. Bible is lying when it says that God does not forsake his beloved ones.____. They say the quran is thebible with all man added crap taking out.
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Idea guy · 627 weeks ago

Is forsook a word?
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Yusuf · 669 weeks ago

athiest: read this -
If I were to tell you that I was in the middle of a desert, and suddenly I saw bricks come together by itself, and then a building came into existence by itself, and then the machinery entered the building by itself, and then this building became a computer factory by itself, and then this factory just started making thousands of super-computers by itself….. would you believe me? Would you not honestly tell me to get my brains checked at a good psychiatric hospital?
The truth is that everything has a maker or a creator, and these super-computers cannot just be made on its own by itself!
The most technologically advanced semi-conductor factory in today’s world cannot make a computer-chip that can match the human brain, with its power of logic and emotion and reasoning, etc.
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Yusuf · 669 weeks ago

follow up - now think logical

When one cannot believe that this simple needle, or this computer, or this chip cannot be made on its own, how can one honestly believe that this superb human being, with all his perfect faculties, internal organs, internal systems, this brain, etc. come into being by itself?
Is it only because the Creator of this human being is ‘unseen’? Would it be reasonable for me to say, that since I have not seen the designer of this computer chip, and since I have not seen the factory where this chip is made, I believe that this computer chip came into existence by itself? Would it be reasonable? Would it make commonsense?
Just like I cannot say that since I have not seen the creator of the computer chip, therefore the chip came into existence by itself; it is illogical to assume that just because you cannot see the Creator of the Universe and the human beings… these came into existence by itself!
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Yusuf · 669 weeks ago

You suposed to be grown human beings with intellect so
science cannot bring something that died back to life can they. If we all were really just machanics why haven't they done that yet logically because of the soul.
does't mean because you can't see it it doesn't exist - like for the laments ( the cat in the box theory)
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mark · 663 weeks ago

Yusuf.....let me help you with your first comment. 2 Cor. 5:21 says, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." It is possible that at some moment on the cross, when Jesus became sin on our behalf, that God the Father, in a sense, turned His back upon the Son. It says in Hab. 1:13 that God is too pure to look upon evil. Therefore, it is possible that when Jesus bore our sins in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), that the Father, spiritually, turned away. At that time, the Son may have cried out.

One thing is for sure. We have no capacity to appreciate the utterly horrific experience of having the sins of the world put upon the Lord Jesus as He hung, in excruciating pain, from that cross. The physical pain was immense. The spiritual one must have been even greater.

That shows us clearly how much God loves us.
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Baconsbud 96p · 663 weeks ago

So love is suffering and pain. You are basically saying crap that if you really think about it, it shows how much a lie religion is. I figure you are one of those chrisitans that say we can't know god but then you seem to say you do know god. I wish christians would make up their minds about either you can or can't know their god.

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