Monday, May 25, 2009

Prayer kills

Doing is always better than praying. Especially when the doing is calling 911.  Leilani Neumann killed her own daughter when she exercised her religion in an attempt to have God heal her daughter’s ills.

Mom found guilty of reckless homicide

A Marathon County jury deliberated for about four hours before convicting Leilani Neumann, 41, of Weston. She faces up to 25 years in prison, but no sentencing date had been set.

She remains free on bond and declined to comment after the verdict was announced.

Neumann's daughter Madeline died from untreated diabetes on March 23, 2008, surrounded by people praying for her. When she stopped breathing, her parents' business and Bible study partners finally called 911.

Why is she free on bond? If there is justice in America, this nutball would begin serving her sentence today.

Near the end of the article is this quote:

Neumann's stepfather, Brian Gordon, said his stepdaughter did nothing wrong in trusting in God to heal her daughter.

"We should have that right in this country," he said.

I think we all share the right of reasonable care in the raising of our children. That right does not include negligence. In America, we go to prison when we let an innocent person die, even if it is through our own ignorance or superstition.

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My gut reaction is to agree with you. But second degree reckless homicide is probably the correct verdict. It was not murder... she did not believe she was killing her daughter. She was (is) delusional. And as long as we, as a society, continue to respect religions that teach such delusions, we are culpable as enablers. We should stop pretending like it is okay to teach kids this irrational non-sense, for Ms. Neumann was one such kid. How'd that turn out?
I am a diabetic, I would not like someone to put my life in trouble for their beliefs.
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Um.... Me too.
I agree this should not be treated as a homicide. While I think it's insane to trust in god to heal your child when there are clearly other much more practical options.

I find myself flip flopping between complete negligence of the parent and their right to freedom of religion. On, one hand we allow the parents the right to abort (I'm pro choice if that matters) a child and argue over the semantics of when a child becomes a child. It's clearly very similar to the rights a parent has in raising the child. Unless the child expresses the desire for treatment then I really don't feel the parents should be charged with wrong doing.

Of course you have to take into account these children are so ingrained with their parents religious beliefs it's rare they would want to seek treatment. I

As sick as it sounds perhaps the best outcome of these situations is truly the death of their children as maybe they'll question their blind fate or at least not have children to force their views to.
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I doubt that they will look upon this as you hope they will. Yeah there is a slim chance that they might change their views some but not much of a chance. I think what it does is shows that hiding behind religion is no longer a way to avoid being responsible for the death of a child. The idea of sitting in jail will probably help to keep some parents from relying on praying instead of medical help.
Yeah I am glad I don't have diabetes. I have a brother in law and know a few others with it. It is a truly terrible thing to have. Of the 6 people I know for sure that have it, 4 of them have had complications arise from other problems. As far as I know they took pretty good care of themselves but it still has made things tough for them.
--- Neumann's stepfather, Brian Gordon, said his stepdaughter did nothing wrong in trusting in God to heal her daughter.
"We should have that right in this country," he said. ---

Right??? The right to watch a kid die for no reason??? No you mindless fucktard...you have the right to refuse your OWN medical treatment, not those of a minor in your care!!

That this isn't obvious is just one more reason why theists are assholes, and christianity a death cult.

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It wasn’t prayer that killed this girl; it was these folk’s ignorance, and blind faith which caused her death. There’s not a single, credible, documented case of “God(s)” healing a child who has type-one diabetes…Yet, they keep praying and trying. This kind of sick-shit just sickens me. And even if this sick-woman, eventually end’s up going to jail (I’d be willing to make a bet, she won’t) it’s not going to deter others from doing the same.

I watched a documentary of a Church, whose members played with venomous-snakes, as a way of proving, and testing they’re faith in god and Jesus. This documentary was filmed after several of their children were bitten, and then subsequently died. These ignorant Pentecostal-Christian fucking morons, then only believed; ether their children didn’t have enough faith, or Jesus just called them home.

I believe this should be seen for what it is; profound mental-illness. Maybe she should have been allowed to plead not-guilty, by reasons of insanity.

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